It Starts Now: Volume Four - 2012 Lollapalooza Headliner Speculation

[thelastonealive]

what's bif naked up to these days?

She tweets an awful lot for a semi-one-hit-wonder of the 90s.

[WretchedSkye2113]

This.

heh.
i kid, as you know.
<3 you and mike.

but more you. mostly because AFI.

[Driftwood]

heh.
i kid, as you know.
<3 you and mike.

but more you. mostly because AFI.

<3 you, LX and Krentist.

but more LX and Krentist. mostly because AFI.

[nikkirkpatrick]

Rush * Neil Young * Celine Dion
Barenaked Ladies * Bryan Adams * Alanis Morissette

The Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions.

[Krentistthedentist]

and Justin Bieber would oppose Celine Dion, so it's completely unrealistic :)

Pay me my money

[Mike53421]

Where the fuck is Sam Roberts? Blasphemy!

[joelmanfu]

Nickelback?

[For Petes Sake]

The Guess Who?

[Osama's Step-son]

Drake?

[nikkirkpatrick]

rush couldn't play Lolla

[johnd12751]

Rush* Blink-182* Beastie Boys
No Doubt* The Strokes* The Black Keys/ Passion Pit

[nikkirkpatrick]

a bold prediction

[johnd12751]

dammit i hate the new board, whenever i am trying to post something it posts when im in the middle of it. i am going to fnish my mock top tier

[WampireVeekend]

Daft Punk | Blink-182 | Beastie Boys
The Black Keys | Vampire Weekend | Franz Ferdinand

Reasonings:
Daft Punk- rumored 2011-2012 tour, but havent heard about it in a while. slightly wishful
Blink- new album soon, seems to be tours coming up, havent played lolla but would make sense
Beasties- i feel like they are bound to play sooner or later, why not keep predicting them
Black Keys- i mean they werent there this year, so they must be next year
Vampire Weekend- if there is a new album out by then, then they would make complete sense to make the jump to a headliner
Franz Ferdinand- rumors of a new album and they havent played lolla yet

originally had Modest Mouse at 5 and VW at 6, but i feel like there would be another band headlining who has yet to play lolla, therefore FF at 6

[WretchedSkye2113]

i dont see black keys coming back soon now that they're headliner worthy.
i know they're lolla's favorite go-to's, but now that they'll take up a top 6 slot, i dont see them coming around every other year.

having said that- best case scenario,

REM * Kanye West * Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Killers * Beck * Queens of the Stone Age

subs:
Death Cab for Cutie * Sonic Youth * Primus
The Decemberists * Mastodon * A Tribe Called Quest

Perry's:
The Prodigy * Fatboy Slim * Massive Attack

[johnd12751]

Rush* Blink-182* Beastie Boys
No Doubt* The Strokes* The Black Keys/ Passion Pit
The Flaming Lips* Vampire Weekend* Primus
30 Seconds To Mars* Lupe Fiasco* Florence and The Machine

Friday- (30 Seconds to Mars) Blink-182 vs. The Black Keys/ Passion Pit (The Flaming Lips)
Saturday- (Lupe Fiasco) Beastie Boys vs. The Strokes (Vampire Weekend)
Sunday- (Primus) Rush vs. No Doubt (Florence and The Machine)

[LollaDan]

what makes you all think that the beastie boys could be a top 3 headliner?

they could definitely be top 6 but I don't think they're near popular enough nowadays to be top 3

[johnd12751]

they were top 3 in 2009 but had to cancel because of MCA's throat cancer, the killers took their spot at number 3 and the yeah yeah yeahs were added at #6

[WampireVeekend]

Daft Punk | Blink-182 | Beastie Boys
The Black Keys | Vampire Weekend | Franz Ferdinand
Duran Duran| Animal Collective | Fleet Foxes| Florence + the Machine
Jimmy Eat World | Ray Lamontagne | Santigold | TV on the Radio
Big Boi | Broken Social Scene | Dropkick Murphys | Robyn

Animal Collective => (Robyn) => Daft Punk vs. The Black Keys <= (Ray Lamontagne) <= Fleet Foxes
Jimmy Eat World => (Dropkick Murphys) => Blink-182 vs. Vampire Weekend <= (Broken Social Scene) <= TV on the Radio
Big Boi => (Santigold) => Beastie Boys vs. Franz Ferdinand <= (Florence + the Machine) <= Duran Duran

[johnd12751]

Daft Punk | Blink-182 | Beastie Boys
The Black Keys | Vampire Weekend | Franz Ferdinand
Duran Duran| Animal Collective | Fleet Foxes| Florence + the Machine
Jimmy Eat World | Ray Lamontagne | Santigold | TV on the Radio
Big Boi | Broken Social Scene | Dropkick Murphys | Robyn

Animal Collective => (Robyn) => Daft Punk vs. The Black Keys <= (Ray Lamontagne) <= Fleet Foxes
Jimmy Eat World => (Dropkick Murphys) => Blink-182 vs. Vampire Weekend <= (Broken Social Scene) <= TV on the Radio
Big Boi => (Santigold) => Beastie Boys vs. Franz Ferdinand <= (Florence + the Machine) <= Duran Duran

Jimmy East World is the only sub id really want to see bad, same with dropkick murphys but ive alredy seen them.
good headliners though, possibly no beasties, blink at #3, daft at 2 and rhcp or rush at 1

[WampireVeekend]

beasties were 5 in 09 i think, but i think theyll have "weaker" headliners next year since they dropped a lot on a big top four. maybe a big #1, but i think we'll get one or two who could be subs.

[WampireVeekend]

Jimmy East World is the only sub id really want to see bad, same with dropkick murphys but ive alredy seen them.
good headliners though, possibly no beasties, blink at #3, daft at 2 and rhcp or rush at 1

yea i wouldnt be surprised if kanye was there instead of beasties, or rhcp too.

[LollaDan]

they were top 3 in 2009 but had to cancel because of MCA's throat cancer, the killers took their spot at number 3 and the yeah yeah yeahs were added at #6

Yeah but that makes only slightly more sense to me than Ben Harper being a #3 (although BB are immeasurably better). I mean, the Beastie Boys were going to play at some 2-3 thousand person venue here before their last tour got cancelled.

[concertgoer]

i dont see black keys coming back soon now that they're headliner worthy.
i know they're lolla's favorite go-to's, but now that they'll take up a top 6 slot, i dont see them coming around every other year.

having said that- best case scenario,

REM * Kanye West * Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Killers * Beck * Queens of the Stone Age

subs:
Death Cab for Cutie * Sonic Youth * Primus
The Decemberists * Mastodon * A Tribe Called Quest

Perry's:
The Prodigy * Fatboy Slim * Massive Attack

Death Cab is a headliner for sure and Massive Attack would not play Perry's
Having said that I love love that festival :)

[concertgoer]

they were top 3 in 2009 but had to cancel because of MCA's throat cancer, the killers took their spot at number 3 and the yeah yeah yeahs were added at #6

Not True Beastie Boys were always billed fifth and The Killers were always third

[johnd12751]

i stand corrected, i assumed they were at three since the hiphop/ pop headliner is usually in the top 3

[concertgoer]

Still pretty crazy that The Beasties were billed 5th that year
Jane's for sure got the Perry bump

[LollaDan]

Death Cab is a headliner for sure and Massive Attack would not play Perry's
Having said that I love love that festival :)

Prodigy would also be top 6

[concertgoer]

Not sure about that

[johnd12751]

I think it's safe to say that at least one of these four will be on the lineup: Red Hot Chili Peppers, Blink-182, Daft Punk, Kanye West

[LollaDan]

it's impossible to guess (no one was even rumoring coldplay this year until the RS leak like an hour before) but I'll give it a shot:

Radiohead or Tool * RHCP * Jay-Z
Blink-182 * My Chemical Romance * Death Cab for Cutie

They have a big 4 this year so why not next year (Blink will probably sink that low if their new album isn't good)

[johnd12751]

horrible.

ps. everyone was talking about coldplay before you fool

[LollaDan]

Not sure about that

They headlined Ultra a few years ago like Deadmau5 and they have more artistic credibility and a more varied following

[LollaDan]

horrible.

ps. everyone was talking about coldplay before you fool

Didn't say that's what I wanted, that's just what I predicted. And I'm not talking about wild guesses (like the Cure this year) I mean actual plausible possibilities. I was monitoring that semi-confirmed acts thread pretty closely and I don't remember seeing Coldplay seriously rumored ever.

[rockrdudetim]

Prodigy would also be top 6

Not with the top 6 WS put up.

[concertgoer]

They headlined Ultra a few years ago like Deadmau5 and they have more artistic credibility and a more varied following

Yeah but they have kind of leveled off in Popularity in America recently
They were opening up for Linkin Park this year

[concertgoer]

Not with the top 6 WS put up.

That too

[rockrdudetim]

Yeah but they have kind of leveled off in Popularity in America recently
They were opening up for Linkin Park this year

Oh man, didn't know that. A new low.

[concertgoer]

Didn't say that's what I wanted, that's just what I predicted. And I'm not talking about wild guesses (like the Cure this year) I mean actual plausible possibilities. I was monitoring that semi-confirmed acts thread pretty closely and I don't remember seeing Coldplay seriously rumored ever.

Myself and several other regulars talked about Coldplay a lot early in 2011

[WretchedSkye2113]

Death Cab is a headliner for sure and Massive Attack would not play Perry's
Having said that I love love that festival :)

i had deathcab as a headliner in the original post. dont ask me why i moved them to subs. i guess put them in the killers spot? killers wouldnt be back that soon.
yeah massive attack would grab a north slot. i'm just trying to make Perry's look as unshitty as possible.

[LollaDan]

Not with the top 6 WS put up.

true but in a realistic top 6 they'd be there


Yeah but they have kind of leveled off in Popularity in America recently
They were opening up for Linkin Park this year

True but I think that had to do with LP needing really solid support since their new album is one of the worst I've heard in years.


Myself and several other regulars talked about Coldplay a lot early in 2011

Maybe you were but what I meant was that in the last month/few weeks no one was seriously considering them

[rockrdudetim]

true but in a realistic top 6 they'd be there

Still, no.



True but I think that had to do with LP needing really solid support since their new album is one of the worst I've heard in years.

LP is a shit band but plenty of shitheads like them. They don't need the support.


Maybe you were but what I meant was that in the last month/few weeks no one was seriously considering them

People were considering them just as much as The Cure. In fact, most people thought Coldplay was more likely.

[concertgoer]

Kanye West and Jay-Z* The Cure * Blink 182
Black Keys* Vampire Weekend* Passion Pit

[WretchedSkye2113]

Kanye West and Jay-Z* The Cure * Blink 182
Black Keys* Vampire Weekend* Passion Pit

-you'd get 1 out of those bottom 3 at best (or worst, rather)
-i still dont see blink playing ever
-this list is accurate in that the first 2 would cost so much that the other 4 would have to be dirt cheap.


:D

[rockrdudetim]

Kanye West and Jay-Z* The Cure * Blink 182
Black Keys* Vampire Weekend* Passion Pit

Crud... I'm a rockrdude and even so I'd be excite for Kanye/Jay-Z. Too good to be true but if Lolla pulled something like that off then I think it would win for fest of the year.

[concertgoer]

Nah by 2012 VW and Passion Pit will be big enough to headline Lolla, hell VW already is
I was trying to pick between Blink and RHCP and I picked Blink because I like them more;)

[LollaDan]

LP is a shit band but plenty of shitheads like them. They don't need the support.


Obviously they'll always have fans because of their first two albums and they were already past their prime by the third one but that last album...I think the word trash is too generous, it was just so bad. It was one of the first albums where I seriously thought 'how could this band possibly release this without being embarrassed?'

That album lost them a lot of fans though. I know a lot of people that are just totally over Linkin Park now. No one wants to go to their shows because like 13 of the 25 songs they play are from the new album (which was their first with no hits btw).

I think LP are past the superstar point now and are just famous.

[rockrdudetim]

-this list is accurate in that the first 2 would cost so much that the other 4 would have to be dirt cheap.

Yeah, as awesome as having two top-tier headliners play together it'd drain all of C3's Lolla money.

[WretchedSkye2113]

im not saying pit and vw couldnt.
im saying you wont get both. they're both #6 slots at best.

not to mention they're the same (shit) band.
rhcp seem to be the big rock band for next year in my eyes. new album, new world tour, havent played lolla in forever. strong connection with Perry/Jane's

[rockrdudetim]

Obviously they'll always have fans because of their first two albums and they were already past their prime by the third one but that last album...I think the word trash is too generous, it was just so bad. It was one of the first albums where I seriously thought 'how could this band possibly release this without being embarrassed?'

That album lost them a lot of fans though. I know a lot of people that are just totally over Linkin Park now. No one wants to go to their shows because like 13 of the 25 songs they play are from the new album (which was their first with no hits btw).

I think LP are past the superstar point now and are just famous.

They'll still sell out arenas. Next.

[concertgoer]

im not saying pit and vw couldnt.
im saying you wont get both. they're both #6 slots at best.

not to mention they're the same (shit) band.
rhcp seem to be the big rock band for next year in my eyes. new album, new world tour, havent played lolla in forever. strong connection with Perry/Jane's

Yeah they are no APC that's for sure;)

[WampireVeekend]

Nah by 2012 VW and Passion Pit will be big enough to headline Lolla, hell VW already is
I was trying to pick between Blink and RHCP and I picked Blink because I like them more;)

i think blink is more of a possibility because they havent played lolla yet (or no doubt i guess). every year lolla manages to get a couple headliners that have not played yet.

[LollaDan]

They'll still sell out arenas. Next.

They sold out over here in 2008. They didn't in 2011.

[WretchedSkye2113]

Yeah they are no APC that's for sure;)

cuz picking on my favorite bands has ever worked on this board. = P
nik, on the other hand...

#catsammichragingtime

[concertgoer]

cuz picking on my favorite bands has ever worked on this board. = P
nik, on the other hand...

#catsammichragingtime

<3

[Krentistthedentist]

im not saying pit and vw couldnt.
im saying you wont get both. they're both #6 slots at best.

not to mention they're the same (shit) band.
rhcp seem to be the big rock band for next year in my eyes. new album, new world tour, havent played lolla in forever. strong connection with Perry/Jane's

VW rules fucku

[rockrdudetim]

They sold out over here in 2008. They didn't in 2011.

You are missing the point. They are still popular.

[rockrdudetim]

edit: nevermind

[WretchedSkye2113]

VW rules fucku

turriblah.

[VampireWeekday]

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Daft Punk - Beyoncé
Blink-182 - The Shins - Vampire Weekend

Daft Punk vs. Blink-182
Beyoncé vs. Vampire Weekend
Red Hot Chili Peppers vs. The Shins

Beyoncé has a new album coming out and has legitimate singing ability ala Lady Gaga so not entirely out of the question. Also, headlining Glastonbury.

I know that there isn't much buzz surrounding The Shins at the moment but their appearance on the Outside Lands lineup is promising enough to make them a headliner depending on the new album.

Daft Punk.... pipe dream.

[Caseysitsallgood]

Red Hot Chili Peppers - Daft Punk - Beyoncé
Blink-182 - The Shins - Vampire Weekend

Daft Punk vs. Blink-182
Beyoncé vs. Vampire Weekend
Red Hot Chili Peppers vs. The Shins

think you switch Blink and VW but those headliners would be nice.


Daft Punk.... wet dream.

.

[Caseysitsallgood]

I was trying to pick between Blink and RHCP and I picked Blink because I like them more;)

I think I like your taste in music

[nikkirkpatrick]

edit: too early

[Nile19]

2 words: Cold Play

[nikkirkpatrick]

cuz picking on my favorite bands has ever worked on this board. = P
nik, on the other hand...

#catsammichragingtime

#GFYSCG

"I write songs about punctuation"

"I write songs about being tired"

"I write songs about other people being tired"

there is an obvious difference between the 3

[Nile19]

Maybe not as a headliner, but I'm really hoping Mumford and Sons come back... I think they could easily sub anyway

[danzip53]

2 words: Cod Play

fixed

[symbionese]

great fix.

[sleeping]

Before the '98 Lolla tour got shitcanned, they approached three potential headliners. First was Green Day who turned it down to do a headlining tour of their own that summer, then eventually headlined Chicagopalooza in 2010. Second was Nine Inch Nails who turned it down because they wanted to finish their album first, and headlined Chicagopalooza in '08. The third was Marilyn Manson, who said no for the same reason as NIN. They've never done Lollapalooza, are no further outside the Lolla demographic than Eminem or Lady Gaga, and will have an album in full swing by next summer. They wouldn't be a #1 but still easily a headliner.

[WretchedSkye2113]

did you mean '08 for NIN?

also, Manson actually seems plausible and would be cool. might pull in some nice heavier acts that afternoon (i keep thinking that...never happens)
i'd say he's down to a #3 or #4 at best though.

[symbionese]

according to your logic and the way you've laid it out, they should have headlined in 2000.

[nikkirkpatrick]

they'd play the north side (ala Coldplay lol)

[WretchedSkye2113]

they'd play the north side (ala Coldplay lol)

ala NIN is more appropriate =P
...or APC (fingers crossed)

[nikkirkpatrick]

ala NIN is more appropriate =P
...or APC (fingers crossed)

i'm pullin for ya

[WretchedSkye2113]

eh. if it's gonna be against Muse, Foos or MMJ, then i'd rather they just sub so i can have it all.
but if it's against coldplay, deadmau5, or eminem, a headlining slot would be perfect.

[symbionese]

i'm pullin for ya

i bet you are...

[nikkirkpatrick]

i bet you are...

http://www.nordicskiracer.com/Training/2006/06-24StenJen1/hurdles04.jpg

[Mike53421]

To kinda troll a little here, did any of the speculation in the 2011 version of this thread in May 2010 actually pan out?

[nikkirkpatrick]

probably Muse. those posts are gone, so who knows.

[Mike53421]

Foo Fighters maybe too. Perhaps we need to start a speculation thread in order to speculate on what we originally speculated for this years lineup and how accurately our speculation panned out.

Speculate away.

[nikkirkpatrick]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100108063233/uncyclopedia/images/archive/b/b5/20100108063328!Exploding-head.gif

[WretchedSkye2113]

i dont think anyone was banking on Muse until that Kerrang article came out the week after Lolla 10.
Carl said Foos would play 2011 in May/June of 2010.
Eminem had been mentioned as a possibility.
APC was definitely being argued as the reunited band
MMJ was mentioned just because they're at every fucking festival more than the FLips
i don't think Coldplay was suggested until much later

[Mike53421]

Then of course Beasties and the White Stripes.

Sidenote: Oh my God, this is actually happening!

[WretchedSkye2113]

yeah Beasties were everyone's 2nd choice after Kanye.
and there were like 5 of us arguing for White Stripes and everyone else going "lulz @ White Stripes @ Lolla"

[mcdao]

jay-z
the cure
stone temple pilots
beastie boys
vampire weekend
tv on the radio
================
the black keys
chemical brothers
mumford and sons
yeah yeah yeahs
animal collective
passion pit
bassnectar
primus
ray lamontagne
brand new
tori amos

[rockrdudetim]

jay-z
the cure
stone temple pilots
beastie boys
vampire weekend
tv on the radio
================
the black keys
chemical brothers
mumford and sons
yeah yeah yeahs
animal collective
passion pit
bassnectar
primus
ray lamontagne
brand new
tori amos

Black keys and Chem. bros would headline with VW and TVotR as subs, but otherwise there would be enough to love there.

[symbionese]

you really don't know shit -- do ya'?

[LollaDan]

You guys are putting a lot of bands way too high (Manson would be top 6 at best, STP wouldn't be top 3 nowadays, maybe not even top 6, as i mentioned before the Beastie Boys, and a good chance that Vampire Weekend and Passion Pit are too high unless their next albums are huge hits)

[oasisfan]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQb7SjgnRX9wxUC9Pi8til-06ZHAhnMAu_LPsmnauXTEgLGmwA0&t=1


we need more talk of them being headliners again

[Unlikely Japan]

Does manson get invited to play at a lot of festivals with kid stages?

[nikkirkpatrick]

he can open for henry rollins @ kidzapalooza

[sleeping]

Does manson get invited to play at a lot of festivals with kid stages?
Does Eminem?
(actually, do a lot of other festivals even have kid stages?)

[mcjack]

RHCP/Kanye-Z/Black Keys/Ke$ha/Justice/Passion Pit

[mcjack]

or something

[nikkirkpatrick]

GTFO

[stelles75]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQb7SjgnRX9wxUC9Pi8til-06ZHAhnMAu_LPsmnauXTEgLGmwA0&t=1


we need more talk of them releasing a new album.

.

[I'm an audioslave for you]

I hope we get the beastie boys next year. I was really sad when they had to cancel.

[johnd12751]

ME WANT FLAMING LIPS IF NOT, AS A SUB

[specialk]

it's impossible to guess (no one was even rumoring coldplay this year until the RS leak like an hour before) but I'll give it a shot:

Radiohead or Tool * RHCP * Jay-Z
Blink-182 * My Chemical Romance * Death Cab for Cutie

They have a big 4 this year so why not next year (Blink will probably sink that low if their new album isn't good)
tool is not a #1
tool would be #4 on that list ahead of blink

[johnd12751]

also, any examples of headliners headlining twice in a course of three years? no? anyone think of any?

[Five_Hole]

also, any examples of headliners headlining twice in a course of three years? no? anyone think of any?

Ever heard of Kanye West?

[johnd12751]

righto, i stand corrected.

[johnd12751]

but also, tool is no kanye west.

[nikkirkpatrick]

Maynard is a bigger egomanic than Kanye. Fact.

[johnd12751]

Maynard is a bigger egomanic than Eminem. Fiction.

had to make the correction for you.

[Thisismyname]

So... you changed his statement, and then said your new statement was false.

ok.

[fishkingpies]

the cure & bjork. next year is the year. book it c3.

[nikkirkpatrick]

had to make the correction for you.

Em is actually a pretty down to earth guy. His brother is the asshole

[dr. ace]

the cure & bjork. next year is the year. book it c3.

optimistic

[fishkingpies]

no shit. but at least it's not just wishful thinking that they'll be available. bjork is looking like she's waiting until next year to hit the states and as long as the cure follow their album/major tour ever four year rule, next year is the year.

they really need to make up for this year.

[WretchedSkye2113]

the cure & bjork. next year is the year. book it c3.

gimme some portishead too plz :)

[concertgoer]

yeah right

[dr. ace]

no shit. but at least it's not just wishful thinking that they'll be available. bjork is looking like she's waiting until next year to hit the states and as long as the cure follow their album/major tour ever four year rule, next year is the year.

they really need to make up for this year.

I just liked the tie in with your name.

[dr. ace]

Seriously though, I would love Bjork and The Cure. But this is C3 we're talking about. Lolla 2012 will be RHCP, Kings of Leon and Jane's Addiction.

[fishkingpies]

yeah i realized while i was typing that's what you were alluding to.

[fishkingpies]

Seriously though, I would love Bjork and The Cure. But this is C3 we're talking about. Lolla 2012 will be RHCP, Kings of Leon and Jane's Addiction.

+black keys, vampire weekend & some shit dj.

[garpo3000]

2012


Red Hot Chili Peppers * Beastie Boys * Bjork
Deathcab for Cutie * Chemical Bros * Incubus
Jane's Addiction * The Roots * Them Crooked Vultures
The Black Keys * Interpol * Manu Chao * Jimmy Eat World * Jeff Beck

[fishkingpies]

totally wrong.

[garpo3000]

Haha probably

[WretchedSkye2113]

rhcp, beasties, bjork, and dcfc all make sense.
kinda falls apart after that though.

[garpo3000]

rhcp, beasties, bjork, and dcfc all make sense.
kinda falls apart after that though.

There is no reason for Incubus not to play next year. I know I know, no one here likes them. Sue me.

[fishkingpies]

will incubus still be touring next year?

[Audiobully]

for the right price, I'm sure they will be.

[LollaDan]

they should be, they have a new album coming out

[fishkingpies]

for the right price, I'm sure they will be.

when was the last time lolla got an act that wasn't playing other shows? hmmm never. so the "right price" doesn't matter in this context.


they should be, they have a new album coming out

yeah but they're touring that album THIS YEAR in all the major markets including chicago. are they the type of band that is popular enough to do another circuit a year later on the strength of the same album? i doubt it.


seriously. thread is full of amateur speculators. where's driftwood?

[Five_Hole]

when was the last time lolla got an act that wasn't playing other shows? hmmm never. so the "right price" doesn't matter in this context.

This isn't true. They got PJ in 2007 and their only other shows that year were in Europe and a pre-show. They got Soundgarden last year and they had only played 1 club show and a pre-show in more than a decade.

[concertgoer]

Lollapalooza 2006 was Manu Chao's only North American show I believe

[fishkingpies]

i know. it was a bit of an exaggeration.

those acts were both #1's. i doubt lolla would spend the extra money to get incubus to play a 4-6 spot.

only other one i can remember is digable planets in 05. 2nd show back and their only us date that year.

edit: this was in reply to 5hole. and i just checked manu chao's dates and gobot is wrong.

[garpo3000]

will incubus still be touring next year?

They are touring starting this summer and well into next year. Will probably be getting back from oversees sometime next spring summer. When they tour, they go all out for a year.

Playing Northerly Island Air Show weekend this year.

[garpo3000]

when was the last time lolla got an act that wasn't playing other shows? hmmm never. so the "right price" doesn't matter in this context.



yeah but they're touring that album THIS YEAR in all the major markets including chicago. are they the type of band that is popular enough to do another circuit a year later on the strength of the same album? i doubt it.


seriously. thread is full of amateur speculators. where's driftwood?

Dude, you couldn't be more wrong. They just DID that. They toured twice in '07 then again in '09 under all for one album and then a b-sides release.

Just because a band isn't on your radar doesn't mean they don't exist. They sold out Northerly Island twice without having released any new music in 4 years! They also headlined Allstate with just one opener on the bill in 04 and they've come out with 3 albums since then. They are a big act and have a huge draw.

[fishkingpies]

so in other words, they're one of those bands that tours every year. looking at past dates, that seems to be the case.

and just because i don't listen to incubus doesn't mean i don't know anything about them. i know they are a "big deal." hence why i said they'd be a headliner.

anyway, i just don't think they're a good prediction. possible, yes. but it doesn't seem like c3 is itching to get them.

[garpo3000]

No, they are NOT the type of band that tours every year. They take long breaks in between tours and albums. Wrong again.

[fishkingpies]

what are you talking about? i just looked up their past tour dates. they've played live every year since 1997. at least a dozen dates (except last year & '98).

[fishkingpies]

anyway i don't really care. incubus is far more likely than having the black keys & jane's addiction as subs, having manu chao & interpol that low, & having the chemical brothers playing at all.

[LollyP]

this tool speculation is ridiculous. lolla's gona book something along RHCP, kanye, beasties (HOPEFULLY), maybe even phish or widespread, death cab

[concertgoer]

MMJ is as close as Lolla will get to booking a jam headliner again and that is a good thing
Keep that shit at Roo or ACl plz

[LollyP]

not that i am at all interested in seeing lolla book jam band, being that lolla has horrible time restraints, i could see them pull that card in 2012. but people saying radiohead and tool is just dumb speculation. leave that for the lolla facebook page.

[concertgoer]

Why do you think they will " pull that card" in 2012?
Just curious

[Audiobully]

Because they're running out of headliner options. I'm telling you all now so it doesn't hurt as bad when it happens: Timberlake in 2012.

[LollyP]

Because they're running out of headliner options.


word

[stelles75]

Because they're running out of headliner options. I'm telling you all now so it doesn't hurt as bad when it happens: Timberlake in 2012.

Only if he performs "Dick In A Box" will I attend.

[dr. ace]

Because they're running out of headliner options. I'm telling you all now so it doesn't hurt as bad when it happens: Timberlake in 2012.

Why is a Justin Timberlake performance supposed to hurt?

He'd be great for Lolla. At the very least, he's a massive upgrade over Coldplay and Foo Fighters.

[Five_Hole]

Seriously. I was highly impressed with JT's show when my wife dragged me to it a few years back. C3 could do much worse.

[symbionese]

c3 has done much worse.

[Five_Hole]

Too true. But there is at least the potential (although not much expectation) for them to do better in the future.

[nanatod]

I was highly impressed with JT's show when my wife dragged me to it a few years back.

next thing you know, you'll be telling us load and re-load are excellent albums. :)

[Five_Hole]

Not a chance.

[MadBird11]

The only band I'm willing to say I'm pretty confident will be there is Death Cab. Seems like there's always one of those: Arcade Fire last year, MMJ this year.

[WretchedSkye2113]

idk. Deathcab would've played this year if anything.
i feel that by next year they'll be done touring Codes & Keys or be in Europe.

i think RHCP will be next year's Foos/Green Day/Tool
still hoping for a reunited Outkast to be the hiphop/pop act.

that's all i'm thinking at the moment. QotSA would be cool as a #5 or #6 if they have new material out by then.

[Audiobully]

Red Hot Chili Peppers * Jay-Z & Kanye West * Beastie Boys
Jane's Addiction * Wilco * Justice * The Black Keys
TV On The Radio * Primus * Common * Jimmy Eat World

[I'm an audioslave for you]

Audioslave reunion? Please?

[concertgoer]

ugh

[LollaDan]

no way they have that much rap (RHCP has a lot of rap/spoken vocals) but I'd actually think it'd be great if it was:

RHCP vs. Wilco
Kanye-Z vs. Jane's
Beasties vs. Justice

[I'm an audioslave for you]

This is such a waste of time. How often are people actually correct in this thread? People just toss names out there and hope they stick.

[symbionese]

y'all are going to be some disappointed mother fuckers when 'ye and hov' do not happen.

[El Goodo]

This is such a waste of time. How often are people actually correct in this thread? People just toss names out there and hope they stick.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. And then others toss in even less meaningful posts criticizing others for throwing out names. Very annoying.

[symbionese]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. And then others toss in even less meaningful posts criticizing others for throwing out names. Very annoying.

and yet, one of us has the lineups for most majors -- in hand -- months before there's even a leak...

[nanatod]

y'all are going to be some disappointed mother fuckers when 'ye and hov' do not happen.

how did you manage to log in to symbionese's account, chicity?

[I'm an audioslave for you]

and yet, one of us has the lineups for most majors -- in hand -- months before there's even a leak...

Looks like one of us can suck their own cock as well.

[symbionese]

Looks like one of us can suck their own cock as well.

'connected and hung' beats 'out of the loop and motion of the ocean mantra' any day, sweetheart. maybe someday, you can give it a try...

[I'm an audioslave for you]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. And then others toss in even less meaningful posts criticizing others for throwing out names. Very annoying.

So throwing out a line up like this is pretty much par for the course?


Britney Spears*Audioslave*Incubus
The Flaming Lips*Big Boi*Justice

[I'm an audioslave for you]

'connected and hung' beats 'out of the loop and motion of the ocean mantra' any day, sweetheart. maybe someday, you can give it a try...

Easiest way to spot someone with a big cock? Look for the guy who says he has a big cock :rolleyes:.

[symbionese]

Easiest way to spot someone with a big cock? Look for the guy who says he has a big cock :rolleyes:.

you're welcome to turn around and take a peek. my guess is though you'll only be seeing the last third. unless, of course, you got that x ray vision...

[I'm an audioslave for you]

you're welcome to turn around and take a peek. my guess is though you'll only be seeing the last third. unless, of course, you got that x ray vision...

Ahhhh that is what you meant by well connected.

[Audiobully]

Hercules!
Hercules!
Hercules!

[MadBird11]

NAMES OF BANDS

Meh, I'll check this thread out in... January or something.

[LollaDan]

So throwing out a line up like this is pretty much par for the course?


Britney Spears*Audioslave*Incubus
The Flaming Lips*Big Boi*Justice

If it makes you feel better your lineup in one of the most ridiculous of all.

[WretchedSkye2113]

to be fair, the only thing that's ridiculous on that lineup is Audioslave.
because Chris has srsly not spoken to Tom, Tim, or Brad since the breakup.

[stelles75]

God I hate Audioslave. If I had to hear Cochise one more time. *shudder*

[LollaDan]

to be fair, the only thing that's ridiculous on that lineup is Audioslave.
because Chris has srsly not spoken to Tom, Tim, or Brad since the breakup.

Also the fact that Incubus and Big Boi are way too high, the Flaming Lips probably are too, Justice needs an awesome new album to be a headliner (which is actually the most plausible of anything on that lineup), and the only festival I see Britney having done is Rock in Rio 7 years ago.

[El Goodo]

People who have been here a real long time: is "I'm an audioslave for you" the worst screen name ever?

[oasisfan]

i haven't been here for very long but i'll agree with you. it is rather horrible

[stelles75]

No.

[I'm an audioslave for you]

People who have been here a real long time: is "I'm an audioslave for you" the worst screen name ever?

I think it is one of the best screen names ever.

[I'm an audioslave for you]

i haven't been here for very long but i'll agree with you. it is rather horrible

Better than oasisfan

[I'm an audioslave for you]

to be fair, the only thing that's ridiculous on that lineup is Audioslave.
because Chris has srsly not spoken to Tom, Tim, or Brad since the breakup.

Plug in RHCP or some other big band with hits in the 90s then.

[oasisfan]

your probably right but i want ppl to know that i completely adore oasis

[El Goodo]

Better than oasisfan

Actually no.

[I'm an audioslave for you]

your probably right but i want ppl to know that i completely adore oasis

Same with me, but replace the word oasis with audioslave and add a clever play on horrible lyrics.

[WretchedSkye2113]

NOW YOU'RE GETTING IT!

[I'm an audioslave for you]

NOW YOU'RE GETTING IT!

I see why this thread is popular now. Mad Libs are fun.

[oasisfan]

Same with me, but replace the word oasis with audioslave and add a clever play on horrible lyrics.

i actually thought you really liked britney too, and you added her to your headliner speculation which definitely made me think it even more

[I'm an audioslave for you]

I really like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAUEGLkNC0

[I'm an audioslave for you]

Works just as well muted as it does with sound.

[LollaDan]

RHCP should be pretty likely in either 2012 or 2013 since Flea just said in a new interview that they plan to tour 'forever' in support of their new album.

[fan o gano]

People who have been here a real long time: is "I'm an audioslave for you" the worst screen name ever?

Personally, I think it's one of the better ones. Certainly better than mine or anyone else's on this page.

[fishkingpies]

it's not better than el goodo, but yeah it's pretty good.

[MadBird11]

...

[symbionese]

i don't think you're allowed to post that.

[MadBird11]

RHCP should be pretty likely in either 2012 or 2013 since Flea just said in a new interview that they plan to tour 'forever' so they can hopefully make as much money as possible before everyone else realizes how awful they are without John

.

[MadBird11]

i don't think you're allowed to post that.

Sorry. Thought you'd be all over that one.

[LollaDan]

Just curious, does anyone know about how much a Radiohead/Daft Punk type band charges to headline a festival? And how much a My Morning Jacket level band charges? It would make it a lot easier to speculate.

[nikolajz1]

Just curious, does anyone know about how much a Radiohead/Daft Punk type band charges to headline a festival? And how much a My Morning Jacket level band charges? It would make it a lot easier to speculate.

The difference is probably a few hundred thousand for a big indie act like MMJ and Phoenix, up to 1+ million for huge acts like Radiohead. Coachella paid several million to Prince for his headlining show.

In a lot of ways you can treat headlining acts at festivals like you would a non festival headlining act. The amount they get probably is somewhat close to the amount that the artist would draw at a Chicago stop, plus some. So for someone like Gaga who has an average of 75 dollar tickets and sells 20k at the United Center, the minimum I imagine c3 paid her is 1.5 million for her set.

[LollaDan]

What would be your guesses for the headliner payouts for this year?

[nikolajz1]

I'd imagine Eminem is in the 2 million range just based off of how rare he plays and his popularity. Foo Fighters:1.2 million, Coldplay:1.5 million, Muse: 1 million, MMJ: 300k, DeadMau5: 250k. Just guesses though.

[LollaDan]

Sounds pretty solid. And I suppose a band like Arctic Monkeys would probably get 100-150k (in the U.S.), Two Door Cinema Club would probably get around 15-25k, and Crystal Castles 50k?

Or does that sound off? Just trying to understand the economics of music festivals.

Also, speculation with numbers is more fun than speculation without numbers.

[nikolajz1]

Another guess for next year:


The Cure- Red Hot Chili Peppers- Rihanna
Death Cab for Cutie- Snow Patrol- Franz Ferdinand
Pavement- Queens of the Stone Age- Interpol- Lupe Fiasco- Keane- m83

Rihanna (Lupe Fiasco) vs. Franz Ferdinand (m83)
Red Hot Chili Peppers (Queen's of the Stone Age) vs. Death Cab for Cutie (Interpol)
The Cure (Pavement) vs. Snow Patrol (Keane)

[stupka32]

seems as likely as britney spears.

[concertgoer]

Snow Patrol aren't big enough in America to headline Lolla and Franz probably isn't either.

[nikolajz1]

Snow Patrol aren't big enough in America to headline Lolla and Franz probably isn't either.

You dont think so? Franz is Phoenix sized I'd say and Snow Patrol sell out similar venues to Death Cab.

[LollaDan]

Another guess for next year:


The Cure- Red Hot Chili Peppers- Rihanna
Death Cab for Cutie- Snow Patrol- Franz Ferdinand
Pavement- Queens of the Stone Age- Interpol- Lupe Fiasco- Keane- m83

Rihanna (Lupe Fiasco) vs. Franz Ferdinand (m83)
Red Hot Chili Peppers (Queen's of the Stone Age) vs. Death Cab for Cutie (Interpol)
The Cure (Pavement) vs. Snow Patrol (Keane)

Switch QOTSA with Snow Patrol and that's one of the most solid guesses I've seen in this thread. Pavement's future is uncertain and The Cure is iffy but all around good speculation.

[LollaDan]

You dont think so? Franz is Phoenix sized I'd say and Snow Patrol sell out similar venues to Death Cab.

I'd say they could definitely be a #6.

[concertgoer]

You dont think so? Franz is Phoenix sized I'd say and Snow Patrol sell out similar venues to Death Cab.

Franz could maybe be a #6 but they only played The Riv their last time through Chicago and Snow Patrol were at their peak of popularity in America when they subheadlined Lolla in 2007.

[danzip53]

Yeah QotSA would definitely headline before Snow Patrol

[concertgoer]

Not trying to nitpick but m83 are not big enough to sub either

[LollaDan]

they are putting out a new album so who knows what their popularity will be next year

[nikolajz1]

Not trying to nitpick but m83 are not big enough to sub either

I'm mostly guessing at that. I think they will blow up with their next album.

[concertgoer]

I could see them as a Grove or Sony stage closer

[fishkingpies]

yeah m83 aren't that big. not even close. plus he usually doesn't do long/extensive tours. chances are he'll be done by lolla next year.

as far as the costs of headliners & such i actually came across an article once that listed out the prices for a lot of coachella headliners (i think i read it in 08 or 09). only one i can remember was the cure who were paid $600k to headline in 04. i heard that arcade fire are making $1mil to headline fests this year but i don't know how legit that is.

[nikolajz1]

wow 600k seems low for The Cure. I expected that to be higher.

[fishkingpies]

from what i remember, they were one of the lowest on the list. bjork & the '99 headliners (tool, ratm, beck) were the only ones who cost less. even jack johnson was more expensive. but remember that was '04. i'm sure they went up quite a bit when they headlined in '09.

[oasisfan]

could weezer be a possible headliner next year? idk if theyd be a top 3 but i think they would be a solid 4 5 or 6

[symbionese]

Switch QOTSA with Snow Patrol and that's one of the most solid guesses I've seen in this thread. Pavement's future is uncertain and The Cure is iffy but all around good speculation.

pavement's future is quite certain.

[symbionese]

And I suppose a band like Arctic Monkeys would probably get 100-150k (in the U.S.), Two Door Cinema Club would probably get around 15-25k, and Crystal Castles 50k?

numbers.

[Leyser]

as far as the costs of headliners & such
Apparently The Libertines were paid over a million pounds to sub Reading/Leeds last year

[symbionese]

Apparently

.

[Leyser]

Most definitely

[LollaDan]

Apparently The Libertines were paid over a million pounds to sub Reading/Leeds last year

But that's for two shows so it's really like 500k per.

[symbionese]

gonna' give driftwood a run for his money...

[For Petes Sake]

R.E.M - No Doubt - System of A Down
Incubus - Fleet Foxes - Massive Attack

[LollaDan]

Anything with SOAD would be awesome.

[IAmScareMongering]

In what world is No Doubt big enough to be the second billed act at Lolla?

[MadBird11]

In what world is No Doubt big enough to be the second billed act at Lolla?

The world after the second rapture, apparently.

[For Petes Sake]

Just speculating that they fill the Pop/Rap headliner role of Gaga and Eminem...assuming Kanye is not on the list. Rhianna - no thanks. Beyonce - maybe. Perhaps they are #3, but a reunited No Doubt would bring a lot of people in IMHO

[For Petes Sake]

In what world is No Doubt big enough to be the second billed act at Lolla?

It's all speculation anyway, so lighten up Francis

[WretchedSkye2113]

In what world is No Doubt big enough to be the second billed act at Lolla?

to be fair, given that lineup, they probably would be 2 or 3.

[concertgoer]

If No Doubt plays Lolla they are at minimum a 4
Could even be a 3

[WretchedSkye2113]

If No Doubt plays Lolla they are at minimum a 4
Could even be a 3

id say SOAD would be above them, but other than that #3 is reasonable.
that's a pretty big lineup too consider how well rem, no doubt, soad and incubus shows have been selling.

(quality is another story)

[concertgoer]

I think it could go either way
Anyway if I could see R.E.M, Fleet Foxes and Massive Attack I guess I would be happy

[WretchedSkye2113]

hmm not sure what i would do.

definitely have to see REM and SoaD.
have seen No Doubt and Massive Attack but both were phenomenal shows and would definitely see them again.
haven't seen Incubus but i like their first album or 2 and wouldn't mind seeing them.
...could take a nap during Fleet Foxes. so that's always nice.

[concertgoer]

Actually I would probably see No Doubt over Fleet Foxes since I haven't seen them in years
Confession time
I like a decent amount of SoaD songs

[WretchedSkye2113]

i was really under the impression that i was only on the board that liked them.
and in the past couple weeks, that impression has significantly changed. for the better.

[LollaDan]

Confession: I like just about every SOAD song

[concertgoer]

i was really under the impression that i was only on the board that liked them.
and in the past couple weeks, that impression has significantly changed. for the better.

CG listened to a good amount of Nu-Metal back in the day:p

[LollaDan]

I wouldn't consider SOAD to be nu-metal but whatever

[WretchedSkye2113]

they came out during the nu-metal era and had distorted guitars, therefore they are labeled nu-metal.
^ typical way to determine the genre.

but i agree with you, lolladan, they don't fit that mold.

[LollaDan]

Think SOAD will even still be together by the time Lollapalooza 2012 happens?

[WretchedSkye2113]

possible.
all they've said is that they're touring this summer because they miss playing together and seeing their fans.

haven't said if there's a full world tour afoot or if there's any material to be written.
considering how poorly Scars on Broadway and Serj's solo record tanked though, me thinks money will keep them together for some time.

[LollaDan]

Yeah they basically said 'we'll see'.

But I watched their entire show on the Rock am Ring webcast and they put on a great show and seemed to be having fun. Hopefully they stick around.

[garpo3000]

I've definitely always thought a reunited SOAD would be a fun #2 or #3 headliner.

[WampireVeekend]

in the fall when people were speculating them for this year people were putting them in the 4 or 5 spot. I dont know SOAD at all so did they do something to all of the sudden bump them to a 2 or 3?

[LollaDan]

SOAD was huge, pretty much as big as Linkin Park was, and now there's extra buzz with the re-union so they'd definitely be a top 3 unless the lineup was absolutely stacked.

They're second album sold twelve million copies. They were the first band since the Beatles to have two number one albums in the same year. They sell out arena tours and are headlining Rock am Ring and Download this year.

They're definitely worthy of a top spot.

[I'm an audioslave for you]

SoaD is more of an ozzfest band than a lolla band.

[c1916]

Saw them at Ozzfest once.

I never would have considered RATM a Lolla band (certainly not a Lolla Chicago Park District band, anyway), nor Tool, until it happened

[I'm an audioslave for you]

Saw them at Ozzfest once.

I never would have considered RATM a Lolla band (certainly not a Lolla Chicago Park District band, anyway), nor Tool, until it happened

Tool was odd, but RATM is well loved by lolla-crowd folk.

[c1916]

I was trying to cover that a bit by adding the Chicago Park District bit.

The idea of that type of show in Grant Park was really outside of what I expected the city to allow.

[garpo3000]

in the fall when people were speculating them for this year people were putting them in the 4 or 5 spot. I dont know SOAD at all so did they do something to all of the sudden bump them to a 2 or 3?

If taking a few years off turns Soundgarden into a #1 band then there is no doubt in my mind that SOAD taking a few years off makes them at least a #3 or #4, probably higher if it is their only festival appearance.

LOL

Anyone remember when ChiCity said there was no possible way RATM or NIN could ever play Lolla just a few weeks before the '08 headliners leaked? LOLOLOLOL

[stupka32]

Really? RATM and NIN seem right up lolla's alley.

[garpo3000]

Really? RATM and NIN seem right up lolla's alley.

And saying dumb things is right up Chi's ;)

[WretchedSkye2113]

in the fall when people were speculating them for this year people were putting them in the 4 or 5 spot. I dont know SOAD at all so did they do something to all of the sudden bump them to a 2 or 3?

we were speculating SoaD to be a 4-6 because the supposed top 3 had already been leaked.