It Starts Now: Volume Four - 2012 Lollapalooza Headliner Speculation

[31_Shoot]

new weekly prediction that won't be true......

Radiohead, RHCP, Throne, The Cure, Black Keys, Bjork.

yeah because lollapalooza will probably bill the coachella #3 headliner at 5, bring back two former #1s.. and watch the throne

2/6 and were lucky.

[WretchedSkye2113]

Why?

because quiet blues at an alt rock festival.

[muthastone]

Is there a reason why people refer to Jay Z and Kanye by their album title?

easier to type.

[carligula]

yeah because lollapalooza will probably bill the coachella #3 headliner at 5,

Strokes were #5 at Lolla 2010 and had the top line at Coachella 2011.

[muthastone]

That would cost like a billion dollars.

look at 2008.........Radiohead, Rage, Kanye, Nine Inch Nails, Wilco, Raconteurs

[carligula]

easier to type.
I prefer JayYe

[WretchedSkye2113]

yejeezy

[Sk8guyj18]

oh wow i love how everyone is finally ganging up on MadBird

[Sk8guyj18]

i like Ye-Z

[carligula]

This are all much better abbreviations!

Isn't it funny how long the word abbreviation is?

[Driftwood]

look at 2008.........Radiohead, Rage, Kanye, Nine Inch Nails, Wilco, Raconteurs

Lulz - those aren't comparable but ok.

[Driftwood]

Strokes were #5 at Lolla 2010 and had the top line at Coachella 2011.

Yeah Black Keys and The Strokes are about equally as popular. Really sad I missed that United Center Strokes show.

[muthastone]

Lulz - those aren't comparable but ok.

??

As in 2008's would have cost less?

[muthastone]

i feel that C3 has to have more money in the bank since 2008. Its not entirely LULZ. maybe having both Jay and kanye.

Radiohead is a wash. Rage=RHCP. Bjork and Black Keys can't be that much. NIN probably cheaper than the Cure.

[Sk8guyj18]

Yeah Black Keys and The Strokes are about equally as popular. Really sad I missed that United Center Strokes show.

what UC Strokes show?!?

[Driftwood]

i feel that C3 has to have more money in the bank since 2008. Its not entirely LULZ. maybe having both Jay and kanye.

Radiohead is a wash. Rage=RHCP. Bjork and Black Keys can't be that much. NIN probably cheaper than the Cure.

Why would you assume Black Keys and Bjork aren't that much? Black Keys are playing a United Center show.

Two washes and your fake line-up being a lot more expensive in every other way.

[Driftwood]

Also they have more in the bank and they also know they need to do a lot less to sell out the fest given the current market. Should they dig in and spend more or spend less and still sell the fest out?

[carligula]

It seems to me like they shelled out the money for 4 South stage headliners last year.

[carligula]

Yeah Black Keys and The Strokes are about equally as popular. Really sad I missed that United Center Strokes show.

You missed the point. I was showing an example of how a top-line Coachella act can be billed 5th at Lollapalooza. I didn't say one was bigger than the other.

[Driftwood]

They didn't say top line anyway. They said #3.

I have no idea why they put The Strokes as a co-headliner but nothing about their set says headliner. It was like every other act that has sub-headlined at Coachella.

Point is The Strokes can't carry a day at Coachella or any major. The Black Keys can now.

[alady]

Can't Bon Iver play at like 2PM again, in the rain? I don't want to see them with a massive crowd at night. That's snoozy.

They have lots of lights now.

[Driftwood]

I'm a believer in anything (I enjoy musically) after watching Fleet Foxes headlined and loving it at Pitchfork.

[MadBird11]

oh wow i love how everyone is finally ganging up on MadBird

Something to look forward to if you ever become relevant.

[johnd12751]

Wait seriously, what UC Strokes show?

[Driftwood]

Lolz.

[concertgoer]

Wait seriously, what UC Strokes show?

Lulz

[MadBird11]

It's pretty amazing what people will believe these days.

[El Goodo]

Something to look forward to if you ever become relevant.

You've been drinking Symb Lite.

[MadBird11]

Fuck, really?

I'm due for a vacation from this place, I think.

[muthastone]

Why would you assume Black Keys and Bjork aren't that much? Black Keys are playing a United Center show.

Two washes and your fake line-up being a lot more expensive in every other way.

Gotcha. I understand

Whats your fake line-up?

[Krentistthedentist]

Are the Black Keys really bigger than the Strokes now?
That's fucking stupid, tbh.

[MadBird11]

Yeah, but it also might be true.

[carligula]

Are the Black Keys really bigger than the Strokes now?
That's fucking stupid, tbh.

Did you not look at that lineup of that festival we went to last June? Granted, Auerbach gets the hometown bump now, but it was a pretty large divide.

[Driftwood]

I fully expect someone like Florence + The Machine / Passion Pit as a cheap #6. Or I guess an EDM act (but not Justice).

I'm leaning towards Metallica as the #1 but Black Keys and Jack White on top of that seems like too much rawk. WTT fits better in terms of contrasting but I don't see it happening.

[Krentistthedentist]

Did you not look at that lineup of that festival we went to last June? Granted, Auerbach gets the hometown bump now, but it was a pretty large divide.


Billing at that fest was trrble

[Driftwood]

I feel like we should start a festival billing company so that all these fest would stop doing it wrong.

How are Spiritualized below Blind Pilot (local bump but seriously?) and Civil Wars and shit on the Sasquatch line-up?

[nikolajz1]

Are the Black Keys really bigger than the Strokes now?
That's fucking stupid, tbh.

They are much bigger.

[Krentistthedentist]

I feel like we should start a festival billing company so that all these fest would stop doing it wrong.

How are Spiritualized below Blind Pilot (local bump but seriously?) and Civil Wars and shit on the Sasquatch line-up?


Seattle is a long way from London.

[Driftwood]

What about New York? Could Blind Pilot headline a Radio City Music Hall show?

Coachella 2008 - Spiritualized ahead of Justice and Gogol Bordello.

[thombjorke.]

Against my better judgment, I read the page.
I tried to not say anything until people started talking shit about Kanye.

It's pretty weird that I just went to read the page right now and this was the first thing that came up:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150575409455349&set=o.26474920848&type=1

[concertgoer]

Bands always play crazy big venues for their NYC shows, but yeah I agree that they are under billed

[Krentistthedentist]

It's pretty weird that I just went to read the page right now and this was the first thing that came up:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150575409455349&set=o.26474920848&type=1

I did that

[concertgoer]

Guys I don't think TBK are playing this year

[symbionese]

Bands always play crazy big venues for their NYC shows

do they always, cg?

[Krentistthedentist]

do they always, cg?

"JFC"

[symbionese]

smc.

[thombjorke.]

I did that

I doubt it, it says that guy is in a relationship.

[nanatod]

How are Spiritualized below Blind Pilot (local bump but seriously?)

blind pilot is the better band.

[Krentistthedentist]

lol

[WretchedSkye2113]

Guys I don't think TBK are playing this year

i share this sentiment and originally had The Cure in their spot on my prediction signature,
but wanted to avoid the constant LOL WRETCHED berating in this thread with such optimism.

[Sk8guyj18]

It's pretty amazing what people will believe these days.

exactly... there was no UC Strokes show... I didn't believe what you were all saying...

[concertgoer]

The Throne- Metallica- The Cure
Beck- Mumford And Sons- Vampire Weekend

The Throne vs Vampire Weekend
Metallica vs Beck
The Cure vs Mumford And Sons

[Nile19]

The Throne- Metallica- The Cure
Beck- Mumford And Sons- Vampire Weekend

The Throne vs Vampire Weekend
Metallica vs Beck
The Cure vs Mumford And Sons

makes sense to me

[MadBird11]

The Throne- Metallica- The Cure
Beck- Mumford And Sons- Vampire Weekend

The Throne vs Vampire Weekend
Metallica vs Beck
The Cure vs Mumford And Sons

Book it? Book it.

[Sk8guyj18]

i would be fine with that lineup but it's missing EDM and also ewwww Mum and Sons

[Nile19]

I would say take out VW and put Justice at 6

[concertgoer]

Yeah I originally had Justice in, but I think they could headline Perry's instead.

[Nile19]

Yeah I originally had Justice in, but I think they could headline Perry's instead.

I can still see that, let the record show Justice will be there

[WretchedSkye2113]

given my sig;

The Throne vs Bjork vs Bassnectar
Metallica vs Beck vs SHM
The Cure vs Bon Iver vs Justice

[concertgoer]

I really think than Boring Iver will be headlining Pitchfork and I don't think we are getting The Cure, Beck and Bjork. I love your optimism though :)

[concertgoer]

Also acts that sell out MSG in five minutes are too big to play Perry's

[WretchedSkye2113]

which one is that? bassnectar? ah, didnt know shm was that big.

and yeah bon iver makes more sense for pofo.
but i dont wanna put vw or on my list >.<

[concertgoer]

which one is that? bassnectar?

and yeah bon iver makes more sense for pofo.
but i dont wanna put vw or on my list >.<

Swedish House Mafia

[WretchedSkye2113]

yeah, tried to catch that in time :p

[concertgoer]

I will be curious to see how big their crowd at Coachella is compared to Chemical Brothers last year who had a pretty big crowd.

[WretchedSkye2113]

so what about my sig now? shm in the deadmau5 slot and guetta playing perry's?

[concertgoer]

Yeah that seems a little bit more realistic except they will probably book a non edm act to close Perry's against SHM like Cudi with The Mau5 last year.

[WretchedSkye2113]

...well, i got nothing on that.
you guys were discussing how popular that one new hip hop guy is who i've never heard of. could he do it?


also, to reply to your earlier post, yeah my top 5 is ridiculously optimistic.
i don't think we'll get the cure or bjork. we'll get some big european name, but i doubt we get either of those 2, let alone both.
metallica and beck seem highly probably to me.
the throne makes sense for the pop/hiphop #1 slot, but it could be a slew of pop stars (rihanna, kesha, etc) or other hip hop acts that are more dormant this year, a la eminem's big announcement last year. maybe the dre/snoop team. hell, it could be an outkast reunion being kept quiet. (oplzoplzoplzoplz)

[concertgoer]

I think an electropop act like Miike Snow or Passion Pit could close Perry's against your untz untz headliner Maybe I am being way too optimistic, but I really think we are either getting WTT or Ye or Jay solo. I do love your Outkast reunion though.

[WretchedSkye2113]

i mean WTT (or separate shows by either) makes the most sense and its what we have the most info on thus far.
it's still just not a lot to go on though so i'm throwing the idea of other hiphop headliners that can pull a #1 slot. but WTT is what i want and what is currently the frontrunning possibility.

but god would Outkast be fun.

[concertgoer]

Granted I am a total Coachella fanboy, but I think they would be the first fest to get their reunion show. I would be happy to be wrong though.

[thombjorke.]

so what about my sig now? shm in the deadmau5 slot and guetta playing perry's?

David Guetta is also a pretty massive act for Perry's. Pretty Lights was a Perry's headliner last year and he is 6th on his day at Ultra. Justice and Guetta are both headlining Ultra and Bassnectar is 4th on his day. Seems like it would be a huge upgrade in terms of popularity and they might need to expand Perry's again.


If Beck (or another similar band) was against Metallica and Guetta he would have a tiny crowd.

[31_Shoot]

then I'm 100% for it. beck on the north side with a small crowd would be fantastic

[thombjorke.]

That is a plus. There's no way I'd ever have been able to get so close to APC last year if it wasn't for Skrillex.

[Audiobully]

David Guetta sucks even worse than Skrillex.

[thombjorke.]

Having Guetta play Perry's would be mayhem. I'm not so sure he wouldn't play a main stage or even headline the north stage.

[concertgoer]

David Guetta sucks even worse than Skrillex.

No EDM act sucks more than Skrillex

[BearDownBoilerUp]

No EDM act sucks more than Skrillex

lol

[Nile19]

Odd future on perrys to oppose justice on main
(assuming they are not dead or in jail)

[nikolajz1]

Odd future on perrys to oppose justice on main
(assuming they are not dead or in jail)

hopefully in jail. Most annoying group of all time.

[Driftwood]

I hope they put Adele in jail for tax evasion.

[nikolajz1]

or for just being too fat?

[Krentistthedentist]

Granted I am a total Coachella fanboy, but I think they would be the http://blogs.1077theend.com/files/2010/08/Soundgarden-PressPhoto100.jpgng though.

.

[Hurricane Kid]

You guys know who the musical guest on SNL is tomorrow? ITS NOT BEIRUT.

I actually love Bon Iver but a headlining set at a festival would be ridiculous. The music just doesn't lend itself to it. I sat about 24 rows in dead center several mos back and thought that was way too far away.

[Nile19]

I hope they put Adele in jail for tax evasion.

she could have had it all

[nikolajz1]

she could have had it all
Check plus my good friend.

[nikolajz1]

Jay Z & Kanye West- Red Hot Chili Peppers- The Black Keys- Beck
Skrillex- Florence and the Machine- Jack White
Pulp- The Shins- Noel Gallagher- Foster the People- The Hives- Childish Gambino
The Gaslight Anthem- M83- Santigold- PJ Harvey- The Rapture
The Weeknd- James Blake- The Walkmen


Spinning At Perry's:
Justice- David Guetta- Miike Snow



Childish Gambino-->(The Weeknd)--> WTT vs. Florence and the Machine <-- (PJ Harvey) <--Noel Gallagher
(Perry's: David Guetta; The Grove: The Gaslight Anthem)

Jack White--> (The Hives)--> Red Hot Chili Peppers vs. Skrillex <---(Santigold)<--Foster the People
(Perry's: Miike Snow; The Grove: James Blake)

The Shins -->(The Walkmen)--> The Black Keys vs. Beck <--(The Raprure)<--Pulp
(Perry's: Justice; The Grove: M83)

[ThePecanSandies]

Jay-Z & Kanye West * The Cure * The Killers
System of a Down * Beck * Mumford & Sons

Jay-Z & Kanye (Childish Gambino) vs. Mumford & Sons (Florence)
The Killers (New Order) vs. System of a Down (Silversun Pickups)
Beck (Passion Pit) vs. The Cure (M83)

[emitts]

Jay-Z & Kanye West * The Cure * The Killers
System of a Down * Beck * Mumford & Sons

Jay-Z & Kanye (Childish Gambino) vs. Mumford & Sons (Florence)
The Killers (New Order) vs. System of a Down (Silversun Pickups)
Beck (Passion Pit) vs. The Cure (M83)

Although I don't think Childish Gambino will be a sub, this is one of the predictions I would actually really want to go to.

[muthastone]

i would see anyone over mumford.

[didyouseethe]

I feel like Justice could possibly close out North stage. The hype around their hiatus/return seems to make them a possible electronic headliner (Ultra slot). Although, I still feel like SHM or something worse like Tiesto will be the EDM headliner. SHM would be a big deal since I don't think they have never come to Chicago.

Also, yes to The Hives. I get the feeling that they will be touring with Refused (they are sharing a bill in New York) so I would expect them to both be at Lolla.

[thombjorke.]

Jay Z & Kanye West- Red Hot Chili Peppers- The Black Keys- Beck
Skrillex- Florence and the Machine- Jack White
Pulp- The Shins- Noel Gallagher- Foster the People- The Hives- Childish Gambino
The Gaslight Anthem- M83- Santigold- PJ Harvey- The Rapture
The Weeknd- James Blake- The Walkmen


Spinning At Perry's:
Justice- David Guetta- Miike Snow



Childish Gambino-->(The Weeknd)--> WTT vs. Florence and the Machine <-- (PJ Harvey) <--Noel Gallagher
(Perry's: David Guetta; The Grove: The Gaslight Anthem)

Jack White--> (The Hives)--> Red Hot Chili Peppers vs. Skrillex <---(Santigold)<--Foster the People
(Perry's: Miike Snow; The Grove: James Blake)

The Shins -->(The Walkmen)--> The Black Keys vs. Beck <--(The Raprure)<--Pulp
(Perry's: Justice; The Grove: M83)

Billing is so wrong.

[didyouseethe]

Shouldn't Skrillex be considered out since he played last year?

[danzip53]

You guys know who the musical guest on SNL is tomorrow?

People watch snl?

[nikolajz1]

Billing is so wrong.

Then it is a good Lolla predicition..am I right?!

[concertgoer]

Gambino as a sub really?

[concertgoer]

Shouldn't Skrillex be considered out since he played last year?

Most likely

[concertgoer]

lol

It's true

[johnd12751]

Bruce Springsteen * Jay-Z and Kanye West * The Black Keys
Beck * Swedish House Mafia * Vampire Weekend * Jack White
Florence and the Machine * At The Drive-In * Passion Pit * Pulp
Tyler. The Creator * M83 * Silversun Pickups * James Blake

Jack White -> TBK vs Beck <- At The Drive-In vs James Blake
Pulp -> Bruce vs SHM <- Passion Pit vs SSPU
Tyler. The Creator -> WTT vs VW <- Florence vs M83

[Hurricane Kid]

People watch snl?

I didn't say I was going to watch it. I said he was going to be on it.

[wiscostraightup]

Bruce Springsteen * Jay-Z and Kanye West * The Black Keys
Beck * Swedish House Mafia * Vampire Weekend * Jack White
Florence and the Machine * At The Drive-In * Passion Pit * Pulp
Tyler. The Creator * M83 * Silversun Pickups * James Blake

Jack White -> TBK vs Beck <- At The Drive-In vs James Blake
Pulp -> Bruce vs SHM <- Passion Pit vs SSPU
Tyler. The Creator -> WTT vs VW <- Florence vs M83

Soooooo fucking top heavy. Subs too.

[brynrich]

I honestly have the hardest time judging which EDM acts are Perry's headliners and which are mainstage acts. How are you guys deciding?

[carligula]

Soooooo fucking top heavy. Subs too.

You think there's a significant difference between Bruce, YeZ, Keys, Beck, SHM, Vampire Weekend, and Jack White and Foo, Em, Muse, Coldplay, MMJ, Deadmau5, and APC? I disagree.

[MadBird11]

I honestly have the hardest time judging which EDM acts are Perry's headliners and which are mainstage acts. How are you guys deciding?

The ones that go WUBWUBWUBWUB go to Perry's.

The ones that have the bass drop out and have the crowd put their hands in the air are headliners.

[31_Shoot]

Honestly if the Cure, Beck, And JayYe play I won't bitch about the shit undercard that will inevitably happen. Those would be fucking fantastic headliners.

[didyouseethe]

The ones that go WUBWUBWUBWUB go to Perry's.

The ones that have the bass drop out and have the crowd put their hands in the air are headliners.

That is dead on.

[31_Shoot]

Gambino as a sub really?

Idk, Gambino is a matermind..

[wiscostraightup]

You think there's a significant difference between Bruce, YeZ, Keys, Beck, SHM, Vampire Weekend, and Jack White and Foo, Em, Muse, Coldplay, MMJ, Deadmau5, and APC? I disagree.

wtt is billed is a number two.
if that's not top heavy please tell me what is.

edit: and I'm not saying they should be billed ahead of bruce, but that top 3 is just massive. I mean I guess it's close to last years, but I still don't think they're going to keep that "oh hey, let's book redic headliners and completely ignore the the rest of the acts."

[johnd12751]

Yeah seriously what the fuck are you talking about

[johnd12751]

Bruce, WTT TBK and Beck are nowhere near as top heavy as Em Foos and Coldplay and Muse

[wiscostraightup]

Probably. Still think it's top heavy though.

[SecondSet]

Can someone explain why Bruce Springsteen, a mainstream '70s classic or "dad" rock act, is being discussed for an alternative music festival targeted at young people? He can easily sell out stadiums, and reportedly is in discussion to do so at Wrigley Field in September.

I think you are more likely to see Phish in Grant Park than Bruce.

[askiba]

Remember, this is the forum that thinks Chevelle and The Cure would be booked by C3. So anything goes.

[MadBird11]

Can someone explain why Bruce Springsteen, a mainstream '70s classic or "dad" rock act, is being discussed for an alternative music festival targeted at young people? He can easily sell out stadiums, and reportedly is in discussion to do so at Wrigley Field in September.

I think you are more likely to see Phish in Grant Park than Bruce.

One maroon's thought process a board's opinion does not make.

[nikolajz1]

wtt is billed is a number two.
if that's not top heavy please tell me what is.

edit: and I'm not saying they should be billed ahead of bruce, but that top 3 is just massive. I mean I guess it's close to last years, but I still don't think they're going to keep that "oh hey, let's book redic headliners and completely ignore the the rest of the acts."

Coldplay is the biggest rock band in the world today and they were 3 last year and 4 at ACL.

[IAmScareMongering]

Jay-Z & Kanye West is not happening, and if anyone is willing to claim otherwise, my beer wager still stands.

[johnd12751]

I only decided to post Kanye because Drake is semi ruled out because of that damn list.

[johnd12751]

Can someone explain why Bruce Springsteen, a mainstream '70s classic or "dad" rock act, is being discussed for an alternative music festival targeted at young people? He can easily sell out stadiums, and reportedly is in discussion to do so at Wrigley Field in September.

I think you are more likely to see Phish in Grant Park than Bruce.

[Insert Depeche Mode Argument Here]

[wiscostraightup]

Jay-Z & Kanye West is not happening, and if anyone is willing to claim otherwise, my beer wager still stands.

Who's going to be the hiphop/pop headliner then? there's going to be one, and drake isn't going to happen. It's a long shot, but it also makes sense.

[IAmScareMongering]

I only decided to post Kanye because Drake is semi ruled out because of that damn list.

Kanye or Jay solo is a whole other matter.

[wiscostraightup]

Coldplay is the biggest rock band in the world today

no.

[nikolajz1]

no.

Who is bigger?

[wiscostraightup]

Radiohead.

[concertgoer]

Radiohead.

Nope

[wiscostraightup]

irt secondset
Eminem was the number one last year. sorry to tarnish your thought of an "alternative music festival"

[wiscostraightup]

Nope

What's your definition of bigger? cause by any definition there's no fucking way coldplay is the biggest rock band in the world.

[concertgoer]

What's your definition of bigger? cause by any definition there's no fucking way coldplay is the biggest rock band in the world.

I didn't say that they were the biggest rock band in the world, but they are bigger than Radiohead.

[wiscostraightup]

Who do you think is then? I'm just curious. Radiohead probably wasn't the best I could think of, maybe U2?

[mgignac]

Who do you think is then? I'm just curious. Radiohead probably wasn't the best I could think of, maybe U2?

Yes.

[concertgoer]

Who do you think is then? I'm just curious. Radiohead probably wasn't the best I could think of, maybe U2?

Yep

[thombjorke.]

Radiohead would be billed above Coldplay at any festival.

[Krentistthedentist]

But Coldplay would put on a way better show

[nikkirkpatrick]

how many records did king of limbs sell? this coming from some one who knows radiohead>>>>>>coldplay re quality

billing at a festival is a different story.

[Krentistthedentist]

It sold too many copies but probably less than Coldplay

[nikkirkpatrick]

that was rhetorical, but thanks for clarifying.

[SecondSet]

This is an irrelevant discussion, but the statement that Coldplay is the biggest band in the world is utterly ridiculous. The following are unquestionably bigger bands: U2, the Rolling Stones, Bruce and the E Street Band, Paul McCartney. So may be most or all of the following, at least in the US: Madonna, Bon Jovi, Roger Waters, the Eagles, Kenny Chesney, Gaga, Taylor Swift, Eminem and/or Jay.

Radiohead is a smaller band, commercially, but is more critically-respected, like other bands that have headlined over Coldplay.

[concertgoer]

tl;dr

[SecondSet]

Jay-Z & Kanye West is not happening, and if anyone is willing to claim otherwise, my beer wager still stands.

Based on what? Kanye is not going to play again solo. Jay's turn is overdue. It might be reasonable to say Jay's going to play alone, but he's coming off a hot WTT album, and has said he plans to release another one (after another solo record) this year, so WTT is what's hot right now.

[IAmScareMongering]

Based on what? Kanye is not going to play again solo. Jay's turn is overdue. It might be reasonable to say Jay's going to play alone, but he's coming off a hot WTT album, and has said he plans to release another one (after another solo record) this year, so WTT is what's hot right now.

So it's a bet then?

[SecondSet]

No. I'm asking you to justify your unjustified position. A mere show of confidence does nothing to convince me.

[MadBird11]

If I weren't running for moderator, I'd have a lot to say.

[concertgoer]

heh

[MadBird11]

Some silly things have been said on this page.

[wiscostraightup]

No. I'm asking you to justify your unjustified position. A mere show of confidence does nothing to convince me.

Oh man you're not convinced? That's a real shame.

[thombjorke.]

how many records did king of limbs sell? this coming from some one who knows radiohead>>>>>>coldplay re quality

billing at a festival is a different story.

No one knows besides them. It sold 69k the first week it was on the Billboard charts but that was after they had been selling it on their website for two months. Most people who were going to buy it had already bought it by then.

It's not too crazy to think it sold more than Mylo Xyloto.

[SecondSet]

Oh man you're not convinced? That's a real shame.

I see nothing is enough to convince you.

[wiscostraightup]

I see nothing is enough to convince you.

Do you just not understand sarcasm or? If you're here looking for evidence you're not not going to find it. There's like one person here who knows the line up and he won't say because frankly he doesn't give a shit. You come to a speculation thread demanding evidence from a person who knows far more about this shit than you do, do you not see what's wrong with that?

[wiscostraightup]

It's not too crazy to think it sold more than Mylo Xyloto.
prly cause Mylo Xyloto sucked.

[SecondSet]

Do you just not understand sarcasm or? If you're here looking for evidence you're not not going to find it. There's like one person here who knows the line up and he won't say because frankly he doesn't give a shit. You come to a speculation thread demanding evidence from a person who knows far more about this shit than you do, do you not see what's wrong with that?

I don't know who you are. You don't know who I am.

[wiscostraightup]

okay.?

[SecondSet]

irt secondset
Eminem was the number one last year. sorry to tarnish your thought of an "alternative music festival"

You didn't understand my point. All hiphop music is essentially alternative music, if your frame of reference is '70s classic rock, and hiphop has been part of Lollapalooza, an alternative rock festival, since the beginning. As I said, the festival serves a younger demographic. There is no precedent for a headliner like Bruce Springsteen that I can recall.

[wiscostraightup]

All hiphop music is essentially alternative music. There is no precedent for a headliner like Bruce Springsteen that I can recall.
No. It's really not. And Bruce would sell, a lot. That's all they need.
I don't think Bruce would headline, but it would not be completely shocking. Lolla isn't an alternative festival at all.

[jcp]

Who's going to be the hiphop/pop headliner then? there's going to be one, and drake isn't going to happen. It's a long shot, but it also makes sense.

Lil Wayne. Sadly.

[Driftwood]

You didn't understand my point. All hiphop music is essentially alternative music, if your frame of reference is '70s classic rock, and hiphop has been part of Lollapalooza, an alternative rock festival, since the beginning. As I said, the festival serves a younger demographic. There is no precedent for a headliner like Bruce Springsteen that I can recall.

Lady Gaga is alternative music?

[wiscostraightup]

Lil Wayne. Sadly.

too "black" for lolla. i wish i was kidding.
i mean i don't like him, but they won't ever book him.

[SecondSet]

It's not an "indie" festival, but it most certainly is an alternative-branded one, major pop stars and all. Bruce is not an appropriate act for the festival, nor do they need him to sell tickets. (Nor would he want to play the fest, most likely) That is all.

[wiscostraightup]

it most certainly is an alternative-branded one, major pop stars and all.
lol...

[concertgoer]

too "black" for lolla. i wish i was kidding.
i mean i don't like him, but they won't ever book him.

Thank god

[wiscostraightup]

Thank god

Indeed.

[Driftwood]

I mean I totally agree that Bruce wouldn't play this festival - because Lolla doesn't need to blow that wad of money when they can sell it out for much cheaper, but to call the festival "alternative" at this point is silly.

And the fest could easily book Lil Wayne and nobody would bat an eye.

[SecondSet]

Lady Gaga is alternative music?

She's largely derivative dance-pop, with a large teen audience, but her persona play and fashion-orientation and adult/gay themes have reaped her a large audience in your hipper music fan precincts, which have become increasingly dance-oriented (as has Lolla) over the last few years. To the extent that the terms mean anything anymore ("alternative" probably died in the early-mid '90s), she is arguably both mainstream and alternative simultaneously, just like a lot of the acts that top the festival bills.

[Driftwood]

She's been on 60 minutes. She isn't alternative.

[Driftwood]

Bruce Springsteen has a lot of fans in the hipper music fan precincts.

[concertgoer]

I mean I totally agree that Bruce wouldn't play this festival - because Lolla doesn't need to blow that wad of money when they can sell it out for much cheaper, but to call the festival "alternative" at this point is silly.

And the fest could easily book Lil Wayne and nobody would bat an eye.

What major festival could be considered Alternative at this point? All the majors seem pretty mainstream to me.

[BearDownBoilerUp]

Oh hey guys it is 2012 and you are still treating the word "alternative" like it means something.

[SecondSet]

I'm right about "alternative," but if you disagree, feel free to substitute the age of the act. Gaga, like everyone else who headlines Lolla, has a youthful audience. Bruce does not.

Also, he's playing Wrigley in September. End of story.

[danzip53]

I like that "only homos like the cure" is a tag for this thread.

[concertgoer]

I'm right about "alternative," but if you disagree, feel free to substitute the age of the act. Gaga, like everyone else who headlines Lolla, has a youthful audience. Bruce does not.

Also, he's playing Wrigley in September. End of story.

There were a lot of people in their 20s and 30s at the Bruce show I was at in 09.

[SecondSet]

There were a lot of people in their 20s and 30s at the Bruce show I was at in 09.

Sure. And there were also a lot, probably more, in their 40s to 60s.

[Driftwood]

What major festival could be considered Alternative at this point? All the majors seem pretty mainstream to me.

I'd say they are all indie to me. But indie is now mainstream.

[Driftwood]

I'm right about "alternative," but if you disagree, feel free to substitute the age of the act. Gaga, like everyone else who headlines Lolla, has a youthful audience. Bruce does not.

Also, he's playing Wrigley in September. End of story.

The last part is irrelevant because I already agreed with you that he wouldn't play Lolla. I still think it's more an issue of $$$. Depehce Mode didn't have a youthful audience either.

[concertgoer]

I'd say they are all indie to me. But indie is now mainstream.

Truth

[SecondSet]

I'm just saying. You see "dinosaur" headliners often at Bonnaroo, ACL, and Outside Lands, and sometimes at Coachella, but never at Lolla. Depeche Mode's audience might be "old" to someone in their 20s, but it's nothing like an audience for Bruce, Tom Petty, Stevie Wonder, the Eagles, Van Morrison, Neil Young, Furthur, etc.

[thombjorke.]

I'm just saying. You see "dinosaur" headliners often at Bonnaroo, ACL, and Outside Lands, and sometimes at Coachella, but never at Lolla. Depeche Mode's audience might be "old" to someone in their 20s, but it's nothing like an audience for Bruce, Tom Petty, Stevie Wonder, the Eagles, Van Morrison, Neil Young, Furthur, etc.

This doesn't really matter. If Lollapalooza could get Bruce or The Eagles for the price of the Black Keys, they would book them.

[wiscostraightup]

Also, he's playing Wrigley in September. End of story.

No one who isn't an idiot disagrees with you that he isn't playing.
Lolla isn't "alternative" as you say, or different or indie in anyway. that's what i disagree with.
as much as gaga's fans like to think they're different they aren't. it's like calling madonna underground.

[SecondSet]

This doesn't really matter. If Lollapalooza could get Bruce or The Eagles for the price of the Black Keys, they would book them.

No, they wouldn't. Certainly not the Eagles, and probably not Bruce without something extra to brand him appropriately for the festival.

[thombjorke.]

No, they wouldn't. Certainly not the Eagles, and probably not Bruce without something extra to brand him appropriately for the festival.

Profit is a pretty big motivator. Those bands would be steals at that price, and what makes them any "older" than someone like Lou Reed?

[wiscostraightup]

brand him appropriately for the festival.
do you seriously think this festival has a brand anymore? do me a favor and look at the line ups since it's been in chicago. why do you keep holding on to the thought that this festival is different? it's by far the most generic of the majors.

[SecondSet]

Lou, like Patti Smith, is an alternative/punk progenitor who helps build the festival brand. There may be a trace of punk in Bruce, but he's for the most part a straight-up classic rocker who would dilute it.

[concertgoer]

Lou, like Patti Smith, is an alternative/punk progenitor who helps build the festival brand. There may be a trace of punk in Bruce, but he's for the most part a straight-up classic rocker who would dilute it.

ugh:rolleyes:

[thombjorke.]

Buffalo Springfield said in an interview last year that they were given an offer for Lollapalooza but turned it down. Assuming they weren't lying that means anyone can play Lolla.

[JML]

No, they wouldn't. Certainly not the Eagles, and probably not Bruce without something extra to brand him appropriately for the festival.

I really gotta disagree with you there. Bruce Springsteen would get Lolla so much more publicity than The Black Keys. People usually just shrug their shoulders when they see the Keys on a lineup.

[Driftwood]

This doesn't really matter. If Lollapalooza could get Bruce or The Eagles for the price of the Black Keys, they would book them.

Hard to agree with you, but this.

[MookieDaddy]

I really gotta disagree with you there. Bruce Springsteen would get Lolla so much more publicity than The Black Keys. People usually just shrug their shoulders when they see the Keys on a lineup.

They really don't need publicity, when they sold out the weekend last year with a pretty lackluster lineup...

[Driftwood]

Neil Young w/ Crazy Horse at Lolla plz.

[Driftwood]

They really don't need publicity, when they sold out the weekend last year with a pretty lackluster lineup...

But they would book Bruce over The Black Keys if they cost the same.

[MookieDaddy]

Of course, but point being, they really don't need extra publicity.
270,000 people went there last year, remember?

[SecondSet]

Buffalo Springfield said in an interview last year that they were given an offer for Lollapalooza but turned it down. Assuming they weren't lying that means anyone can play Lolla.

Neil created "grunge," which helped birth Lolla. BS is a little classic rock-ish, but Neil fits better into the Patti/Lou class than Bruce. Not to mention that, when your festival venue capacity is 50-60K, you don't choose a headliner who could sell that much on his own. Bruce can. Neil/Patti/Lou can't.

[Driftwood]

If they got Bruce then maybe 360,000 could be there in 2013. It can always get bigger. Yay!

[Driftwood]

Neil created "grunge," which helped birth Lolla. BS is a little classic rock-ish, but Neil fits better into the Patti/Lou class than Bruce. Not to mention that, when your festival venue capacity is 50-60K, you don't choose a headliner who could sell that much on his own. Bruce can. Neil/Patti/Lou can't.

Ugh you don't get. Everyone has already agreed with this part. Everyone has basically said this is the main reason Bruce wouldn't play Lolla. Are you a buzz alt?

[SecondSet]

Everyone has already agreed with this part. Everyone has basically said this is the main reason Bruce wouldn't play Lolla.

I see lots of people repeating that Bruce would get picked because he could draw a big audience.

[thombjorke.]

Neil created "grunge," which helped birth Lolla. BS is a little classic rock-ish, but Neil fits better into the Patti/Lou class than Bruce. Not to mention that, when your festival venue capacity is 50-60K, you don't choose a headliner who could sell that much on his own. Bruce can. Neil/Patti/Lou can't.

Yeah Buffalo Springfield is definitely a grunge band.

[wiscostraightup]

I see lots of people repeating that Bruce would get picked because he could draw a big audience.
You obviously don't read. Ever.

[Driftwood]

I see lots of people repeating that Bruce would get picked because he could draw a big audience.

IF he were cheap to book. They are all just disagreeing with your alternative premise.

[wiscostraightup]

Neil created "grunge,".
lol. here's where it might be a good idea to take a break..

[SecondSet]

Yeah Buffalo Springfield is definitely a grunge band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lID4jNigbk

[wiscostraightup]

IF he were cheap to book. They are all just disagreeing with your alternative premise.

THIS.

[SecondSet]

lol. here's where it might be a good idea to take a break..

How old are you? http://thrasherswheat.org/gog.htm

[thombjorke.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lID4jNigbk

That's not even a Buffalo Springfield song and it's the only cover they played. Not to mention it isn't even really a full on grunge song.

[wiscostraightup]

Oh yes, that respectable publication certainly proves your point, a long with the youtube video of a damn cover.

[SecondSet]

IF he were cheap to book. They are all just disagreeing with your alternative premise.

I'm talking about reality. If he were cheap to book, he wouldn't be able to draw 50-60K head.

[Driftwood]

Try and re-read the last two pages please.

[thombjorke.]

Saying that Neil Young is a grunge artist just because he influenced the genre is stupid. That's like saying The Smiths are a Britpop band.

[nikkirkpatrick]

bunch of cunt-ing around on this page.

[BearDownBoilerUp]

How old are you? http://thrasherswheat.org/gog.htm

XFD

[SecondSet]

Saying that Neil Young is a grunge artist just because he influenced the genre is stupid. That's like saying The Smiths are a Britpop band.

I didn't say Neil is a grunge artist.

[thombjorke.]

Alright but you said he created grunge, which is also stupid.

[nikkirkpatrick]

cut cut cut cut cut cut cut

[SecondSet]

Alright but you said he created grunge, which is also stupid.

It's a commonplace.

[Driftwood]

1. It's not likely that Bruce is play Lolla.
2. It has very little to do with him being too dad rock for the fest and not fitting the "scene".
3. It has a lot to do with the fact that Lolla doesn't need to book a headliner that big to sell out the festival.

Fin.

[wiscostraightup]

It's stupid.

.

[Krentistthedentist]

1. It's not likely that Bruce is play Lolla.


Part of being a moderator is setting a good example for grammar.

[SecondSet]

1. It's not likely that Bruce is play Lolla.
2. It has very little to do with him being too dad rock for the fest and not fitting the "scene".
3. It has a lot to do with the fact that Lolla doesn't need to book a headliner that big to sell out the festival.

Fin.

You don't damage your brand to sell out one year.

[wiscostraightup]

this brand you speak of. it doesn't exist.

[thombjorke.]

You don't damage your brand to sell out one year.

Again, stupid.

Lady Gaga was much more "damaging" to the Lolla band than Bruce would be.

BTW, "damaging the Lolla brand" is not a real problem.

[MookieDaddy]

You don't damage your brand to sell out one year.

You do realize it's sold out the last few years, right?

[nikkirkpatrick]

2. It has very little to do with him being too dad rock for the fest and not fitting the "scene".


srs. coldplay is the most mom rock of any band ever.

[SecondSet]

Coldplay might make you feel less manly, but they're a step removed from Radiohead, and both fall within the '90s definition of alternative.

[nikkirkpatrick]

It's a commonplace.

your mom is a common place

[Driftwood]

Coldplay might make you feel less manly, but they're a step removed from Radiohead, and both fall within the '90s definition of alternative.

Are the awful post-grunge bands that have played alternative? What if David Guetta headlines?

[thombjorke.]

Coldplay might make you feel less manly, but they're a step removed from Radiohead, and both fall within the '90s definition of alternative.

Yeah, Coldplay and Nirvana are practically the same band.

[nikkirkpatrick]

Coldplay might make you feel less manly, but they're a step removed from Radiohead, and both fall within the '90s definition of alternative.


coldplay released exactly 0 albums in the 90's

[concertgoer]

Coldplay might make you feel less manly, but they're a step removed from Radiohead, and both fall within the '90s definition of alternative.

JTFC

[SecondSet]

C3 doesn't need Bruce to sell out ACL either, but they want him for Austin at some point. Maybe even this year. They aren't trying to get him for Lolla.

[wiscostraightup]

Coldplay might make you feel less manly, but they're a step removed from Radiohead, and both fall within the '90s definition of alternative.

goddammit...

[thombjorke.]

How does anybody ever call me "the worst" when people like SecondSet exist on the board?

[Krentistthedentist]

JTFC

best mod

[wiscostraightup]

C3 doesn't need Bruce to sell out ACL either, but they want him for Austin at some point. Maybe even this year. They aren't trying to get him for Lolla.

oh i see. what other inside sources do you have about who they're going after?

[Krentistthedentist]

How does anybody ever call me "the worst" when people like SecondSet exist on the board?

He's just stupid.
You're stupid and antagonistic

[nikkirkpatrick]

How does anybody ever call me "the worst" when people like SecondSet exist on the board?

human vs sub-human

[thombjorke.]

He's just stupid.
You're stupid and antagonistic

He's both of those.

I'm only antagonistic.

[WretchedSkye2113]

JTFC

we've been over that you and goodo did NOT patent this, right?

:)

[wiscostraightup]

lol. this is gonna be good.

[concertgoer]

we've been over that you and goodo did NOT patent this, right?

:)

I totally admit to stealing it from you

[Driftwood]

I mean the ACL thing is probably the best post he's made so far (though I'm not buying it until I actually see Bruce on the line-up - still seems awful pricey for a C3 city based fest). I do think ACL has a more defined aesthetic so yes it probably does mean he is a little more likely to play that fest. Lolla still isn't alternative.

[SecondSet]

I love being called stupid by people who are less intelligent.

[WretchedSkye2113]

lol. this is gonna be good.

nonononononononono, here we don't say this. we just

http://i.imgur.com/taWbz.gif

[Krentistthedentist]

Bruce is too awesome for these shitty entry-level hipster festivals.

[Krentistthedentist]

I love being called stupid by people who are less intelligent.

I am actually a fucking genius.
I literally just laid a bunch of fools to waste in 90s trivia.
Suck my dick.

[thombjorke.]

I love being called stupid by people who are less intelligent.

By what imaginary measure?

[WretchedSkye2113]

I totally admit to stealing it from you

it's cool. i just want to make sure you guys saw that i called out goodo for trying to steal it ;)

[Driftwood]

I'm the smartest person on the board. Make me a mod already.

[Krentistthedentist]

I probably would have beaten Driftwood as well

[wiscostraightup]

SecondSet 4 mod.

[Driftwood]

Everyone post in the timely bookings thread so I can update it.

[nikkirkpatrick]

http://www.greenfudge.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/smokers-IQ-less-intelligent.jpg

[Driftwood]

I probably would have beaten Driftwood as well

The fact that you aren't sure concedes the contest to me already.

[Krentistthedentist]

The fact that you aren't sure concedes the contest to me already.

I got 72 points and the closest score was 50 flat.
Succckkk it.

[thombjorke.]

I bet 90s trivia is a very important career skill.

[wiscostraightup]

nonononononononono, here we don't say this. we just


I was going to put the mj one but I'm lazy as hell.