It Starts Now: Volume Four - 2012 Lollapalooza Headliner Speculation

[Thisismyname]

Someone reading this thread probably just pulled it up to either check or buy it.

You say that like that disproves something I'm saying...?

[ironmonkey]

Dear Lolla,

Please give us a leak or release goldies....watching pissing match between boarders is ruining the day.

thxbi

[Neader]

Preferably a leak first.

[didyouseethe]

Just out of curiosity,

What are you people's opinions on the lack of leaked headliners this year?

Good/Bad/Ugly?

[concertgoer]

$60 or bust.

What happened to not judging a festival just on it's headliners?
:)

[Neader]

Is it ever a good thing to not know?

[Driftwood]

Why won't anyone read my posts???

[Driftwood]

What happened to not judging a festival just on it's headliners?
:)

Like Lolla is bringing the #rare.

[Driftwood]

RT @bdicrescenzo: Don't ask how I know. But Swedish House Mafia and Sigur Ros will be on the Lolla bill. High.

Sorry I don't twatter very much - but we've been saying this info is better than the other stuff because it isn't dicrescenzo - but isn't this guy just re-tweeting a dicrescenzo tweet - isn't that what RT means?

Ahem.

[nikkirkpatrick]

you are correct re: RT driftwood

[JML]

You're correct, he was just retweeting a dicrenscenzo tweet.

[carligula]

DM's Friday appearance seems like it was compelled by the tour schedule, necessary to get to Seattle on the Monday after, through the Bay down to SoCal in time for Hewitt-Silva's open Sunday-Monday slot at the Bowl.

Kinda like if Black Keys were booked to play Osheaga on Friday and Toronto on Saturday, leaving only Sunday of Lolla available?

[nikkirkpatrick]

OHSNAP

[MadBird11]

Just out of curiosity,

What are you people's opinions on the lack of leaked headliners this year?

Good/Bad/Ugly?

Either best ever or worse than 2011. There is no middle ground.

[nikkirkpatrick]

it's definitely ugly in here. who knows what it'll be like in grant park.

[Driftwood]

Oh cool so SecondSet was wrong about something else too? And we really have no reason to believe Sigur Ros or SHM are playing.

[nikkirkpatrick]

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Driftwood]

I mean I think of the tweets he has given he seems most sure about Sigur Ros and SHM, then Jack White (where he seemingly got he Pitchfork headliners wrong) and least about Metallica and Beck (where he was responding to info on lollaleaks).

He could still be right about PJ Harvey and Mangum at Pitchfork but I highly doubt it.

[carligula]

Is it still possible that Mangum and Harvey are playing Pitchfork? We might know about that before we know about Jack White, SHM, and Sigur Ros at Lolla. Those are all the headliners DiCresscenzo mentioned, right?

[Krentistthedentist]

Hold that. there is a single GA ticket available.

I hope you bought it.

[Audiobully]

Is "progressively worse" a pattern?

WSP/Pixies/Killers/Weezer
Ween/RHCP/Kanye/Death Cab/Manu
PJ/Daft Punk/Muse/Ben harper/Interpol
Radiohead/Rage/Kanye/NIN/Wilco/Racs

2005-2008 got progressively better, don't you think?
Now 2009-present on the other hand...

[Driftwood]

Is it still possible that Mangum and Harvey are playing Pitchfork? We might know about that before we know about Jack White, SHM, and Sigur Ros at Lolla. Those are all the headliners DiCresscenzo mentioned, right?

See above wrt Mangum and Harvey and he also said Beck and Metallica smell legit.

[carligula]

RT @bdicrescenzo: Don't ask how I know. But Swedish House Mafia and Sigur Ros will be on the Lolla bill. High.

This guy would be a complete dick for suggesting this is solid insider info when it's really just a selection of strongly speculated headliners.

[Driftwood]

Although Kot said Mangum was unlikely for Pitchfork and he said fingers crossed for Pulp.

[Driftwood]

This guy would be a complete dick for suggesting this is solid insider info when it's really just a selection of strongly speculated headliners.

Maybe it's insider info that's just not as good as he thinks it is?

[SKZA]

About the lack of leaks, someone brought up a good point a while back that Kot/leakers in general might be holding off until after the Black Keys show on Monday. Since Black Keys are the most likely rumor so far (besides Sharon Van Etten. You're welcome.) I think this lends credibility both to their being there and leaks holding off until next week.

So, I think the lack of leaks says more about timing than it does about the quality of the lineup. Which I'm optimistically hoping will kick ass.

[carligula]

I think this lends credibility both to their being there and leaks holding off until next week.

It also lends credibility to the theory that local music journalists are fed information from C3 to drum up interest in the fest.

[nanatod]

Is it still possible that Mangum and Harvey are playing Pitchfork?

I hope not. I didn't pay $117 for shit that's already in the trapper keeper. Although PJ Harvey at the Riviera a couple of years ago did have Jeff Moris Tepper open for her(yay, a magic band alum), and he had Josh Klinghoffer (wonder what ever happened to this dude?) join him on guitar for a couple of songs.

[didyouseethe]

I want to be optimistic in thinking that we have a great lineup being created and they are working hard to secure some great/interesting headliners.

On the other hand, the pessimist/realist in me thinks that they are just scrambling for headliners since all the interesting ones declined or something.

[symbionese]

I didn't pay $117 for shit that's already in the trapper keeper.

i thought you paid $117 to sit on a lawn chair and suck down lemonade?

[Thisismyname]

I want to be optimistic in thinking that we have a great lineup being created and they are working hard to secure some great/interesting headliners.

On the other hand, the pessimist/realist in me thinks that they are just scrambling for headliners since all the interesting ones declined or something.

Or they payed godspeed and Vampire Weekend a shit ton of money and got Feist cause they could.

*lolwoopslookatmeblabber

[carligula]

On the other hand, the pessimist/realist in me thinks that they are just scrambling for headliners since all the interesting ones declined or something.

... or they're doing a better job of not telling people with loose lips who they've booked this year. I'm not going to assume that they didn't book their headliners months ago just because Kot or DeRo haven't heard anything yet.

Look at it this way: if SHM, Beck, Metallica, Sigur Ros, Black Keys, and RHCP are the headliners, next year we'll be saying we knew about all 6 headliners way before the lineup release.

[didyouseethe]

... or they're doing a better job of not telling people with loose lips who they've booked this year.

Yeah, I know this is possible too....

I was just gearing my thoughts on the strength/weakness of the lineup when compared to the lack of leaks.

Just to clarify, this is the longest we've gone without any sort of leak?

[lexusbailey]

Look at it this way: if SHM, Beck, Metallica, Sigur Ros, Black Keys, and RHCP are the headliners, next year we'll be saying we knew about all 6 headliners way before the lineup release.

I've been creeping on this board for awhile now and this is the smartest thing I've heard yet.

[MookieDaddy]

Well, carl is a science...

[Spoonman11084]

Just out of curiosity,

What are you people's opinions on the lack of leaked headliners this year?

Good/Bad/Ugly?

The longer we sit here and speculate over possible headliners, the less time there is for bitching about how bad the line-up is

[Spoonman11084]

WSP/Pixies/Killers/Weezer
Ween/RHCP/Kanye/Death Cab/Manu
PJ/Daft Punk/Muse/Ben harper/Interpol
Radiohead/Rage/Kanye/NIN/Wilco/Racs

2005-2008 got progressively better, don't you think?
Now 2009-present on the other hand...

I think Lolla peaked in 07. Its hard to beat a line-up that includes Daft Punk, Pearl Jam, Muse, Interpol, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, KoL, Iggy and the Stooges, and Rocky Erikson
08 was great, but I consider it a slight fall off from 07

[SecondSet]

I mean I think of the tweets he has given he seems most sure about Sigur Ros and SHM, then Jack White (where he seemingly got he Pitchfork headliners wrong) and least about Metallica and Beck (where he was responding to info on lollaleaks).

He could still be right about PJ Harvey and Mangum at Pitchfork but I highly doubt it.

See? You got there without my help. He said he "knows" SHM and Sigur Ros (and Sennett RT'd it, yes, or at least typed it out that way - diC seems to have deleted the original tweet assuming it was his), while calling JW/PJ Harvey/Mangum rumors, and saying Metallica/Beck simply "made sense" from what he'd heard.

[SecondSet]

Kinda like if Black Keys were booked to play Osheaga on Friday and Toronto on Saturday, leaving only Sunday of Lolla available?

No. Generally, only Mondays (and a few select Wednesdays or Sundays) are available to the outside promoter at the Bowl. And I would assume Lolla has bigger sway than Osheaga wrt acts in general and this one in particular (given their history).

[Driftwood]

See? You got there without my help. He said he "knows" SHM and Sigur Ros (and Sennett RT'd it, yes, or at least typed it out that way - diC seems to have deleted the original tweet assuming it was his), while calling JW/PJ Harvey/Mangum rumors, and saying Metallica/Beck simply "made sense" from what he'd heard.

You've been saying for weeks that it was more credible because Sennett is more credible than diC.

[SecondSet]

You've been saying for weeks that it was more credible because Sennett is more credible than diC.

Like just about everything else you've said about what I said, this is an exaggeration. If I said anything like that, it was once, a few days ago, and I'm right that the post about SHM/Sigur Ros is more credible, because the word "know," rather than "rumors" or "sense," was used.

Edit: And I do regard it as more credible because Sennett, diC's editor, gave it his imprimatur.

[SecondSet]

I am, I concede, coming around to the idea that TBK may be on the bill. But I'm not convinced, and am always wary of jumping to easy conclusions based on stuff like the 8/4 date and some random guy's interweb post.

[Driftwood]

Oh hey, progress.

[Krentistthedentist]

At this point, I am not sure why someone wouldn't predict the Black Keys. Seems like the best we have to go on and this is, after all, a speculation thread.

[Driftwood]

That's what I said pages ago.

[Krentistthedentist]

I don't read your posts.

[nikkirkpatrick]

...but...how respondy to posty?

[Mike53421]

About the lack of leaks, someone brought up a good point a while back that Kot/leakers in general might be holding off until after the Black Keys show on Monday. Since Black Keys are the most likely rumor so far (besides Sharon Van Etten. You're welcome.) I think this lends credibility both to their being there and leaks holding off until next week.

So, I think the lack of leaks says more about timing than it does about the quality of the lineup. Which I'm optimistically hoping will kick ass.
About an hour after their Montreal show last night it was announced they were headlining Osheaga so... let's predict Tuesday as their Lolla leak. :)

[Thisismyname]

No. Generally, only Mondays (and a few select Wednesdays or Sundays) are available to the outside promoter at the Bowl. And I would assume Lolla has bigger sway than Osheaga wrt acts in general and this one in particular (given their history).

But Lolla doesn't have a bigger sway than the Hollywood Bowl?

[SecondSet]

But Lolla doesn't have a bigger sway than the Hollywood Bowl?

Why don't you sit down and think about that one for half a second.

[SecondSet]

Singles still available on the floor and in the 200 level for the United Center show.

[Thisismyname]

Thought about it plenty.

Your point still doesn't stand.

[SKZA]

About an hour after their Montreal show last night it was announced they were headlining Osheaga so... let's predict Tuesday as their Lolla leak. :)

Yep, I wouldn't be surprised by that at all. I would bet we get at least one other headliner leak next week too.

[Nile19]

I thought the board more or less decided RHCP WOULDNT be at Lolla, and now people think will be there, is this based on some rumor or something?

[Krentistthedentist]

The availability of floor seats for the black keys concert makes me regret flying to florida on Monday.
I'd probably go to that awful venue if I could be on the floor :\

[Thisismyname]

Yeah, but Florida!

Oh, right.

[MookieDaddy]

I thought the board more or less decided RHCP WOULDNT be at Lolla, and now people think will be there, is this based on some rumor or something?

A boarder, Willy, is claiming inside knowledge that they will be there.

[Five_Hole]

Singles still available on the floor and in the 200 level for the United Center show.

Can't speak for the 200 level, but there is (or at least was) one single solitary ticket available in GA. That's it. The best available pair of seats is in the 300 level behind the stage. The point you were trying to make about how poorly it has sold is completely off base with the facts.

[hux90]

About an hour after their Montreal show last night it was announced they were headlining Osheaga so... let's predict Tuesday as their Lolla leak. :)

Dan actually announced it during the encore, he might do it during the Chicago show too.

[Nile19]

Dan actually announced it during the encore, he might do it during the Chicago show too.

That would be a bad ass lolla leak/announcement

[Krentistthedentist]

Does anyone want to pay for my rebooking so I can go see the Keys?
Also, this banger


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQH8ZTgna3Q

[SecondSet]

Can't speak for the 200 level, but there is (or at least was) one single solitary ticket available in GA. That's it. The best available pair of seats is in the 300 level behind the stage. The point you were trying to make about how poorly it has sold is completely off base with the facts.

Just trying to advertise good seats, bro. Relax.

Edit: and the point I was making is that a) TBK's show (which roped off 1/4 of the venue - those are side-stage, not behind-stage seats) is not sold out (there are 800 seats available on stubhub too), and b) they are not going to be billed any higher than 3 or 4 or ahead of WTT, Metallica, RHCP.

[Driftwood]

.

[Five_Hole]

And best I can tell, there is (or again was) 1 GA seat, 1 200 level seat, and then it is up to the 300 level and in the corner.

[Krentistthedentist]

You'd pay like $80 for the Black Keys (even from the floor)?

I paid about $60 for the Keys + Greenhornes (edit: This is a apparently a hilarious joke. The ticket was $30 lul), so I'd probably do $70 for Keys + Monkeys

[SecondSet]

And best I can tell, there is (or again was) 1 GA seat, 1 200 level seat, and then it is up to the 300 level and in the corner.

On Ticketmaster, yeah.

Edit: there are non-corner singles available at all but the 100 level.

[Thisismyname]

Oh give it a rest already.

The Keys are using more of the venue than the majority of concerts that go through there. The section available in the 300s isn't even shown as available on the standard Concert seating map. There is nothing but singles left besides one shitty section. The show is not selling bad in any way shape or form.

[SecondSet]

Oh give it a rest already.

The Keys are using more of the venue than the majority of concerts that go through there. The section available in the 300s isn't even shown as available on the standard Concert seating map. There is nothing but singles left besides one shitty section. The show is not selling bad in any way shape or form.

Lol. Never seen different seating charts for different events before, huh?

Edit: "selling bad"?

[Driftwood]

Edit: and the point I was making is that a) TBK's show (which roped off 1/4 of the venue - those are side-stage, not behind-stage seats) is not sold out (there are 800 seats available on stubhub too), and b) they are not going to be billed any higher than 3 or 4 or ahead of WTT, Metallica, RHCP.

The point you were trying to make was that it was so not sold out that they aren't playing Lolla.

Tickets on stubhub you say?

[MookieDaddy]

I was going to say, great job dragging out an argument about the remaining available seats at a Black Keys show for multiple pages guys.

[Driftwood]

Radiohead wasn't using the seats behind the stage. Obvious sign of a shitty drawing band.

[Nile19]

According to the seating chart.....
https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSbJ2TWFwrD8k7pkjYOg6VVVC4TWYNto YA-IizLx73Q3OW4x_o9Dg

[Krentistthedentist]

I bought the black keys ticket
I will sell it for $100

Any takers?


This is quite obviously a joke so don't fucking ban me, please.

[SecondSet]

The point you were trying to make was that it was so not sold out that they aren't playing Lolla.

No, the point I was making was that they had not sold more tix than RHCP (or larger bands), and would not be billed higher (not that they would be billed higher even if they were). Their not playing Lolla is based on the very existence of the (non-sold out) large concert there and in three other in-radius cities.

[Five_Hole]

I bought the black keys ticket
I will sell it for $100

Any takers?


This is quite obviously a joke so don't fucking ban me, please.

REPORTED despite the white text...

[Five_Hole]

No, the point I was making was that they had not sold more tix than RHCP (or larger bands)

Hate to drag this out more, but given the current availability, this appears to be false.

[Thisismyname]

Lol. Never seen different seating charts for different events before, huh?



No! Tell me more!

[here'slala]

ffs

[nanatod]

I bought the black keys ticket
I will sell it for $100

Any takers?


This is quite obviously a joke so don't fucking ban me, please.

one could buy a ticket for the 2 day lollapalooza 2005, which featured black keys on saturday, for the exact same price. and one would still be able to see widespread panic do two sets for not a penny more.

[nikkirkpatrick]

one could buy a ticket for the 2 day lollapalooza 2005, which featured black keys on saturday, for the exact same price. and one would still be able to see widespread panic do two sets for not a penny more.

THE QUESTION IS WHY

[pieman27]

I'll be in section 107...covered in bbq sauce from smoke daddy

[Miller]

I don't twatter. Has dicrescenzo said a thing about Lolla since deleting his SHM/Sigur Ros post?

[Driftwood]

Someone tweet him about whether he is still confident about Mangum / PJ at Pitchfork.

[sleeping]

GODDAMIT KOT LEAK SOMETHING ANYTHING TO MAKE THIS STOP

[hbankhead]

No, the point I was making was that they had not sold more tix than RHCP (or larger bands), and would not be billed higher (not that they would be billed higher even if they were). Their not playing Lolla is based on the very existence of the (non-sold out) large concert there and in three other in-radius cities.

You guys need to stop being difficult just for the sake of it. I can see the point SecondSet is trying to make, regardless of how well he made it.

[nikkirkpatrick]

Metallica - RHCP - The Black Keys
Beck - Skrilldill - FloMo

[carligula]

So, Skrillex is playing both Lolla and Spring Awakening?

[nikkirkpatrick]

that seems to be the implication

[symbionese]

So, Skrillex is playing both Lolla and Spring Awakening?

plus pitchfork in july.

[carligula]

Don't forget OccupyChicagoFest!

[hux90]

The Osheaga lineup is announced next week (my guess is Friday).
That'll probably help the rumor mill along if nothing else happens until then...

[nikkirkpatrick]

The Osheaga lineup is announced next week (my guess is Friday).
That'll probably help the rumor mill along if nothing else happens until then...

the only things you announce on friday are things you want forgotten by the weekend.

[symbionese]

jesus disagrees.

[SecondSet]

Correct. Try Tuesday.

[symbionese]

hey secondset. any chance you have a medical background?

[carligula]

jesus disagrees.

Snap.

[hux90]

the only things you announce on friday are things you want forgotten by the weekend.

My logic is they're announcing the Heavy MTL lineup this Friday (it's the same promoter for both fests)


@heavymtl
We can’t hold back anymore ! 2012 line up will be announced on Friday. Get ready cause it’s awesome!

[carligula]

hey secondset. any chance you have a medical background?

Answer carefully. He might offer to "take your temperature".

[carligula]

My logic is they're announcing the Heavy MTL lineup this Friday (it's the same promoter for both fests)

I would think if anything they would feature the lineup releases as far apart as possible. Nevermind.. misread it.

Is Heavy MTL put on by the same folks as Heavy TO? The name makes a lot more sense to me now.

[WretchedSkye2113]

Is Heavy MTL put on by the same folks as Heavy TO? The name makes a lot more sense to me now.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhm.

[hux90]

I would think if anything they would feature the lineup releases as far apart as possible.

Is Heavy MTL put on by the same folks as Heavy TO? The name makes a lot more sense to me now.

Yeah, Heavy MTL came before, and it's the same guys.
Heavy TO is a fucking awful name for a fest.

[WretchedSkye2113]

and yet a far more phenomenal lineup for its first run last year.

[SecondSet]

hey secondset. any chance you have a medical background?

Gold.

[WretchedSkye2113]

Kot article on Lollapalooza (http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/turnitup/chi-lollapalooza-deal-changed-lollapalooza-and-city-restructure-deal-20120314,0,5868942.column) (no, it is not the lineup leak)

"Lollapalooza restructures Grant Park deal, ticket prices to rise"

[sleeping]

"Lollapalooza restructures Grant Park deal, ticket prices to rise"
Last year, a massive tent near the main stage housed electronic-music artists and DJ’s such as Skrillex to overflowing crowds. This year, the tent will likely be eliminated and the hugely popular electronic acts will be spread throughout the festival grounds, including at least one main-stage actblerk

[SecondSet]

Last year, a massive tent near the main stage housed electronic-music artists and DJ’s such as Skrillex to overflowing crowds. This year, the tent will likely be eliminated and the hugely popular electronic acts will be spread throughout the festival grounds, including at least one main-stage act, Jones said.

[nikkirkpatrick]

lollapalooza is gonna be baaad

[brynrich]

Sleeping beat you to it

[johnd12751]

I swear if I have to pass through an army of bros in a dubstep act at something like the South Side stage to get to the North stages, I will fucking lose it.

[nanatod]

lollapalooza is gonna be baaad

may have to skip lollapalooza chicago again this year, and wait for lolla singapore.

[nikkirkpatrick]

i say this with sadness, as i've enjoyed it in the past. but perry's invading stage sets? fuuuuck that.

[johnd12751]

Yeah it's gonna really suck that the bros are gonna be widespread. I prefer to keep them in there little cage

[didyouseethe]

I like dance music and what not (not last year's lineup) but it needs to be segregated.

Separate but equal!

[Audiobully]

agreed

[ruthlessvengeance]

I would look for the Pitchfork sell out after the price hike announcement.

[didyouseethe]

Bad time to not have a steady paycheck. :(

[Irving_Red]

As long as they're still playing at the same time as someone good, I'm fine with it. If they do something like Skrillex vs SHM then I'll bitch.

[fiveiron83321]

Kot article on Lollapalooza (http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/turnitup/chi-lollapalooza-deal-changed-lollapalooza-and-city-restructure-deal-20120314,0,5868942.column) (no, it is not the lineup leak)

"Lollapalooza restructures Grant Park deal, ticket prices to rise"

also to note from the article:

line up might drop April 9th

[rosettastoned462]

I swear if I have to pass through an army of bros in a dubstep act at something like the South Side stage to get to the North stages, I will fucking lose it.

Ahhhh flashback to trying to get to the john through the girl talk crowd

[Nile19]

The Osheaga lineup is announced next week (my guess is Friday).
That'll probably help the rumor mill along if nothing else happens until then...
Is this true?

[concertgoer]

also to note from the article:

line up might drop April 9th

Sweet two days before I leave for Coachella :)

[johnd12751]

Only because I'm bored.


Black Sabbath * Kanye West * The Black Keys
Beck * Blur * Swedish House Mafia * Jack White
Florence + The Machine * Passion Pit * Sigur Ros * The Shins
The Shins * At the Drive-In * Miike Snow * M83 * The Hives
Band of Horses * Silversun Pickups * Metric * Odd Future
Okkervil River * Gogol Bordello * Los Campesinos! * Fun.
St. Vincent * The Walkmen * Sleigh Bells * Steel Pulse

Friday:
Gogol Bordello (St.Vincent) At the Drive-In (Band of Horses) Sabbath vs SHM (DJ) Florence (?) Los Campesinos!
Grove: Metric
Perry's: Wiz Khalifa

Saturday:
The Walkmen (Sleigh Bells) Jack White (Okkervil River) TBK vs Blur (DJ) Sigur Ros (?) Steel Pulse
Grove: M83
Perry's: Armin van Buuren

Sunday:
Odd Future (Fun.) Passion Pit (Miike Snow) Kanye vs Beck (DJ) The Shins (?) The Hives
Grove: Silversun Pickups
Perry's: Justice

[Krentistthedentist]

johnd, have you seen Jack's setlists?
Not a sub.

[johnd12751]

I would say he fits the APC spot though.

[RCarr11]

I would say he fits the APC spot though.

He won't sub.

[Nile19]

He won't sub.

I would even put him potentially in the top 3

[rosettastoned462]

He might want his trademark racs spot

[johnd12751]

Neither will Primus, Mumford, or TVOTR

[Krentistthedentist]

I would say he fits the APC spot though.

What the fuck is the APC spot?
Is that just playing for 75 minutes?

[johnd12751]

irt RCarr

[rosettastoned462]

I would even put him potentially in the top 3

Nah lolla has been going all in on their top 3

[Krentistthedentist]

Neither will Primus, Mumford, or TVOTR

All of those bands, with the exception of mumford and sons who could headline with another albums worth of material, are subs. TV on the Radio could even be a 7:30 act

[RCarr11]

Neither will Primus, Mumford, or TVOTR

Why not? If they are there, I think they sub.

[johnd12751]

Im saying it the sense that they won't be there, no doubt they can sub haha.

[Krentistthedentist]

I really think johnd is just in "I don't know what the fuck i'm talking about but i'm going to say it anyways" mode.

[concertgoer]

What the fuck is the APC spot?
Is that just playing for 75 minutes?

Basically
I say we call it the Spoon spot because they rule and APC sux.

[RCarr11]

Im saying it the sense that they won't be there, no doubt they can sub haha.

Sure...they may not be there...but Jack White certainly will headline if he is there.

[johnd12751]

Do you think mumford, primus, or tvotr will be there Krentist?

[Krentistthedentist]

Do you think mumford, primus, or tvotr will be there Krentist?

I would not put money on any of these three playing.
Mumford and Sons will likely hold off until the second album is released. I can't imagine them coming back to sub when holding off a year will get them a headliner's paycheck, especially seeing as how they don't have any north american dates as of now.
TV on the Radio, to my knowledge, has no shows scheduled in the US, but several internationally. One of these shows is a C3 show, so it's possible, but I don't see it happening unless a tour announcement eeks out within the next month.
Primus has a show within the radius clause, but I am not saying they won't be there. I have no idea how Summer Camp radius clauses work with Chicago dates, so the fact that they aren't coming here could potentially be a sign.


The difference between these three bands and Jack White, which you seem to be incapable of understanding, is that Jack could headline this festival in 2012. Period.

[Krentistthedentist]

Seriously, look at this fucking setlist

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/jack-white/2012/workplay-soundstage-birmingham-al-43decfff.html

and look at his billing on these posters
http://blog.reverbnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Hangout-Music-Fest-2012-lineup.jpg
http://digunderrock.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/sasquatch2012_poster.jpg

Is Beck a sub? Is Wilco a sub?

At this point, there is literally no way anyone could possibly be idiotic enough to think Jack White isn't a headliner unless they are just plain ignorant of factual information that is readily available with a trip to google.


You can't possibly be dense enough to believe he's a sub.

[concertgoer]

Have you seen some of his previous lineup predictions?

[RCarr11]

Thank you Krentist!

[rosettastoned462]

Though lolla is more top heavy than squatch and hangout, i see him as the # 5 if you plug him into last years lineup

[RCarr11]

Though lolla is more top heavy than squatch and hangout, i see him as the # 5 if you plug him into last years lineup

Without a doubt on last years lineup this would be true.

[concertgoer]

Unless we a top four as stacked as last year, I have him as a #4

[RCarr11]

I'm right with you CG

[rosettastoned462]

If you look at 2010s lineup. He would still be 5-6

[SecondSet]

Jack White is no lower than 5.

[rosettastoned462]

Doesnt really matter though

[hux90]

Is this true?

Unless I totally misunderstood you and you're not looking for an obvious answer, yes, it's true:


The Black Keys and Young The Giant are confirmed for Osheaga 2012! Do you want to know more? Line up announcement coming up next week!

[Miller]

I wish they would put #4-6 acts on around 6:00 and leave 75-minute night spots for big sub-level bands that can use the darkness. I feel like the weakness of our 5-6 possibilities would make that an even better option.

Passion Pit -> Justice vs. The Cure
Bon Iver -> Sigur Ros vs. WTT
Florence -> SHM vs. The Black Keys

[rosettastoned462]

If those were the 4-6 it would work, but would also be the worst lineup ever

[Krentistthedentist]

Thank you Krentist!

You're welcome, guy who is presumably less of a dick than the guy in his avatar

[MadBird11]

If those were the 4-6 it would work, but would also be the worst lineup ever

Compared to last year?

GTFO.

[rosettastoned462]

Im not defending 6, but Muse and MMJ are better headliners than any of those 3

[carligula]

I wish they would put #4-6 acts on around 6:00 and leave 75-minute night spots for big sub-level bands that can use the darkness. I feel like the weakness of our 5-6 possibilities would make that an even better option.

I've been saying all along that they should go back to the 2005 schedule where at any given moment there was a main stage act and a side stage act. North main from 7:30-9, band shell from 9-10. South side stage from 7-8, south main from 8-10.

[RCarr11]

I've been saying all along that they should go back to the 2005 schedule where at any given moment there was a main stage act and a side stage act. North main from 7:30-9, band shell from 9-10. South side stage from 7-8, south main from 8-10.

I was unaware that they had it that way. But I really like that.

[Miller]

I've been saying all along that they should go back to the 2005 schedule where at any given moment there was a main stage act and a side stage act. North main from 7:30-9, band shell from 9-10. South side stage from 7-8, south main from 8-10.

I preferred it that way too, but I understand the problem of leaving the second biggest stage empty at the end of the night.

[RCarr11]

I preferred it that way too, but I understand the problem of leaving the second biggest stage empty at the end of the night.

I suppose that there are way too many people now to make this plausible. Can you imagine if everyone goes to the South side of the park every night how maddening that would be. It was quite awful leaving Radiohead, and now with even more people going every year. It could be awful all the time.

[carligula]

Okay, this is how it should be done (South vs North)

Black Keys (main) > Sigur Ros (side) vs Kaskade (side) > SHM (main)
Wiz Khalifa (side) > JayYe (main) vs. Jack White (main) > Danzig (side)
Passion Pit (side) > RHCP (main) vs. Florence (main) > Justice (side)

[Krentistthedentist]

This fest is simply not awesome enough to book a danzig legacy show

[Miller]

If those were the 4-6 it would work, but would also be the smallest headliners ever

Is this what you meant?

[RCarr11]

Okay, this is how it should be done (South vs North)

Black Keys (main) > Sigur Ros (side) vs Kaskade (side) > SHM (main)
Wiz Khalifa (side) > JayYe (main) vs. Jack White (main) > Danzig (side)
Passion Pit (side) > RHCP (main) vs. Florence (main) > Justice (side)

I like this...plus I think it gives you the opportunity to see more bands if you don't mind seeing some partial sets.

[Krentistthedentist]

RHCP vs Danzig legacy please.
Fuck the french

[WretchedSkye2113]

Okay, this is how it should be done (South vs North)

Black Keys (main) > Danzig (side) vs Kaskade (side) > SHM (main)
Wiz Khalifa (side) > JayYe (main) vs. Jack White (main) >Sigur Ros (side)
Passion Pit (side) > RHCP (main) vs. Florence (main) > Justice (side)


http://i.imgur.com/TRohB.gif

[Nile19]

Okay, this is how it should be done (South vs North)

Black Keys (main) > Danzig (side) vs Kaskade (side) > SHM (main)
Wiz Khalifa (side) > JayYe (main) vs. Jack White (main) >Sigur Ros (side)
Passion Pit (side) > RHCP (main) vs. Florence (main) > Justice (side)

I like it too, but riddled with conflict
edit: wait, nevermind, the sides are playing before the headliners not the same time yes?

[ferro_man]

http://musicmedia.ign.com/music/image/article/626/626681/LollaGridSaturday_061705_1119033233.jpg
http://musicmedia.ign.com/music/image/article/626/626680/LollaGridSunday_061705_1119033534.jpg

[Thisismyname]

Okay, this is how it should be done (South vs North)

Black Keys (main) > Danzig (side) vs Kaskade (side) > SHM (main)
Wiz Khalifa (side) > JayYe (main) vs. Jack White (main) >Sigur Ros (side)
Passion Pit (side) > RHCP (main) vs. Florence (main) > Justice (side)


http://i.imgur.com/TRohB.gif

.

[Nile19]

Widespread Panic subbing for.... Widespread Panic

[WretchedSkye2113]

"Activity: Musical Chairs"

sold.

[RCarr11]

I like it too, but riddled with conflict
edit: wait, nevermind, the sides are playing before the headliners not the same time yes?

One Main will play against one Side, and then it flips. So one side closes out one of the fields for an hour while the headliner plays on the other field.

[Krentistthedentist]

Ugh.
You should seriously relinquish your penis.

IRT Thissy

[carligula]

I preferred it that way too, but I understand the problem of leaving the second biggest stage empty at the end of the night.

I think this is better than filling both fields for side stage acts from 7-8.

[Miller]

Okay, this is how it should be done (South vs North)

Black Keys (main) > Sigur Ros (side) vs Kaskade (side) > SHM (main)
Wiz Khalifa (side) > JayYe (main) vs. Jack White (main) > Danzig (side)
Passion Pit (side) > RHCP (main) vs. Florence (main) > Justice (side)

^This one is better


Okay, this is how it should be done (South vs North)

Black Keys (main) > Danzig (side) vs Kaskade (side) > SHM (main)
Wiz Khalifa (side) > JayYe (main) vs. Jack White (main) >Sigur Ros (side)
Passion Pit (side) > RHCP (main) vs. Florence (main) > Justice (side)

[Thisismyname]

Agreed so much.

Camp for Sigur Ros. Jack White -> 7 NiP. Florence -> Justice. I could do that.

[Miller]

WAIT. Wait.

Danzig (side) > Black Keys (main) vs Beck (main) > SHM (side)
Wiz Khalifa (side) > JayYe (main) vs. Jack White (main) > Sigur Ros (side)
Passion Pit (side) > RHCP (main) vs. Florence (main) > Justice (side)

[carligula]

Okay, I changed it back for y'all.

[carligula]

WAIT. Wait.

Danzig (side) > Black Keys (main) vs Beck (main) > SHM (side)
Wiz Khalifa (side) > JayYe (main) vs. Jack White (main) > Sigur Ros (side)
Passion Pit (side) > RHCP (main) vs. Florence (main) > Justice (side)

Don't they have a huge stage set-up?

[Thisismyname]

Thanks. I'll take the gun out of my mouth now.

[Nile19]

Don't they have a huge stage set-up?

Basically gas machines going off every 10 seconds

[Miller]

Don't they have a huge stage set-up?

Carl, I honestly don't care. They can make it work, because of how much better I feel about that hypothetical lineup.

[Miller]

Basically gas machines going off every 10 seconds

Those can fit at the shell, I'm sure. (what are gas machines)

[Nile19]

Those can fit at the shell, I'm sure. (what are gas machines)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfrldx5xY70
see 2:28, whatever you call those things

[Caseysitsallgood]

smoke machines...?

ya know what, let all the bros get the gas. I don't care.

[Nile19]

smoke machines...?

ya know what, let all the bros get the gas. I don't care.
smoke, right, i knew there was a word, lil boozed right now

[Miller]

see 2:28, whatever you call those things

I see smoke machines, a table with some stuff on it including lasers, and a big screen behind them. That can totally fit at the Shell.

[rosettastoned462]

The shell should not have anyone on the upper half of the lineup. Crowds are the worst

[rosettastoned462]

Is this what you meant?

Definitely part of it

[Miller]

Watch The Throne - Red Hot Chili Peppers - The Black Keys
Jack White - Beck - Florence and the Machine
Sigur Ros - Swedish House Mafia - Danzig
Justice - Wiz Khalifa - Passion Pit

I like that the lineup still works with The Cure or Metallica/Sabbath instead of RHCP, if you drop one of the EDM acts for an appropriate sub

[Miller]

Definitely part of it

I would trade 3 headliners for 6 improved sets from subheadliner-level bands.

[johnd12751]

I stop posting for 3 pages and Justice and Swedish House Mafia are now subs? what the fuck

[Miller]

None of this was real, John.

[MichaelDW]

smoke machines...?

ya know what, let all the bros get the gas. I don't care.


LOL.

[MichaelDW]

What I love about Sigur Ros getting bounced to a side-stage is that maybe less people will go there.

Sure RHCP have a lot of good songs, WTT is popular, TBK are popular (overly), etc.

But song after song after song, Sigur Ros for me personally, has the most consistently strong catalog. Look forward to them so much.

[MichaelDW]

And the fact that Wiz Khalifa is even mentioned in headliners seems pretty sad. I can't really take any of the 'new-school' type rap or hip-hop so I am unaware but isn't Wiz Khalifa kinda like a poor mans Lil' Wayne???

[ferro_man]

And the fact that Wiz Khalifa is even mentioned in headliners seems pretty sad. I can't really take any of the 'new-school' type rap or hip-hop so I am unaware but isn't Wiz Khalifa kinda like a poor mans Lil' Wayne???

no one has listed wiz khalifa as a headliner, but he has been mentioned as direct support for WTT

[Driftwood]

Why are we putting subs on side stages? Also the exodus of people after the earlier headliner ends to go to the later headliner scares me.

[Driftwood]

I think this is better than filling both fields for side stage acts from 7-8.

Why? I don't get it. For crowd control? I feel like every time main is playing on North and side is playing on South, main is going to be ridiculously crowded.

Also I'm sure they'd love to figure out a way to give everyone the opportunity to see six headliners and increase ticket prices accordingly.

[MichaelDW]

no one has listed wiz khalifa as a headliner, but he has been mentioned as direct support for WTT

I'm sorry, I meant sub/side.

Another 'bro' act I feel. But hey, they gotta please a lot of people.

[VampireWeekday]

Jay-Z & Kanye West – Metallica – The Black Keys
Jack White – Beck – Swedish House Mafia

Skrillex – The Chemical Brothers – OFWGKTA

The Black Keys vs. Beck vs. Skrillex vs. M83
Metallica vs. Swedish House Mafia vs. OFWGKTA vs. Andrew Bird
Jay-Z & Kanye West vs. Jack White vs. The Chemical Brothers vs. tUnE-yArDs

The insanity of Odd Future at Perry's is unimaginable.

[wiscostraightup]

The insanity of Odd Future at Perry's is unimaginable.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there isn't going to be a Perry's for that misogynist shit show this year.
hiphopper sub probably.

[wiscostraightup]

And the fact that Wiz Khalifa is even mentioned in headliners seems pretty sad. I can't really take any of the 'new-school' type rap or hip-hop so I am unaware but isn't Wiz Khalifa kinda like a poor mans Lil' Wayne???

wiz>wayne
they actually are pretty different, especially when you listen to wiz's old stuff,
but it's really a douche/turd sandwich situation. I'm hoping for neither.

[here'slala]

I liked that they kept the sausage fest contained in the tent. Are they seriously just going to turn those people loose in Grant Park? I may be saving a lot of money this summer if it turns into LollaBrolooza

[Korman]

I liked that they kept the sausage fest contained in the tent. Are they seriously just going to turn those people loose in Grant Park? I may be saving a lot of money this summer if it turns into LollaBrolooza

It's just a bunch of local kids that are taking advantage of it. It's not like they really care about the music (hence gluing themselves to Perry's for three days). I'm out of state, so I can't imagine the horror of going to Lolla, or any festival, with half my high school.

[ruthlessvengeance]

a poor mans Lil' Wayne???

Is that even possible?

http://hotnewrap.net/wp-content/uploads/medias/lil-wayne-public-service-announcement-2341

[carligula]

Why? I don't get it. For crowd control? I feel like every time main is playing on North and side is playing on South, main is going to be ridiculously crowded.

Also I'm sure they'd love to figure out a way to give everyone the opportunity to see six headliners and increase ticket prices accordingly.

These are all good points. How about the "all headliners on the South and second tier acts on the North field" idea?

Jack White > Black Keys vs. Florence > Sigur Ros
JayYe > SHM vs. Megadeth > Danzig
Bon Iver > RHCP vs. Kaskade > Justice

[Driftwood]

Does that put JayYe at 5;30-7:30?

[nikkirkpatrick]

more like 6-8 is my guess. i dooubt shm needs an hour to set up. all the lazerz should be ready beforehand.

[carligula]

No, two main stages on the South field means headliners from roughly 7-8:30 and 8:30-10.

[carligula]

Although, I'm not sure if they'll be able to pull off a second stage of the same size with the layout the way it is. Maybe side by side at the end of the field? A lot of festivals do that. It would be nice not to have a side stage on the way into the field, right?

[Driftwood]

So all throughout the day bigger acts will be playing the South field? And can the south field support another stage in a good spot for sound / viewing for 50k+?

I think I like the idea more with back to back headliners on the current main stage.

[Driftwood]

Oh hey we got to the same place.

[carligula]

But song after song after song, Sigur Ros for me personally, has the most consistently strong catalog. Look forward to them so much.

Really? I think their greatest weakness is how inconsistent their albums are. I think they have 2 or 3 incredible songs on each album along with a couple good ones. The first album isn't even listenable. This is one of the few artists where I decided to make my own "greatest hits" album, which as mentioned previously, is incredible.

[SecondSet]

that misogynist shit show

QFT

[SecondSet]

wiz>wayne

Urgh

[nikkirkpatrick]

Is that even possible?

http://hotnewrap.net/wp-content/uploads/medias/lil-wayne-public-service-announcement-2341

+$4.95

[SecondSet]

I'm quite sure WTT would take the last set of the day.

[carligula]

So all throughout the day bigger acts will be playing the South field? And can the south field support another stage in a good spot for sound / viewing for 50k+?

I think I like the idea more with back to back headliners on the current main stage.

I really think they need to do like Bonnaroo and use the various areas of the field to their fullest extent. Instead of having Lollapalooza North and Lollapalooza South, have the headliner field and the "alternative to headliners" field. They could really play up the contrasts and give more nighttime slots to smaller acts. Does JayYe, Black Keys, Jack White, etc all really need to be at night anyway? Did the Pixies slot really suck that much in 2005?

[carligula]

I'm quite sure WTT would take the last set of the day.

So, if you had a hiphop headliner and an electronic headliner, you'd put the elctronic headliner first during the daylight? We need to get beyond the idea that the biggest act has to play last. It's better for crowd control. Think outside the box!

[SecondSet]

So, if you had a hiphop headliner and an electronic headliner, you'd put the elctronic headliner first during the daylight? We need to get beyond the idea that the biggest act has to play last. It's better for crowd control. Think outside the box!

I don't think a hiphop and an electronic headliner would appear on the same day. Can you cite a single instance of a daytime Jay-Z set?

[nikkirkpatrick]

jesus. throw justice in there too while you're at tit. in fact, show us one single instance of every rumored act playing a daylight set or get fucked.

[mgignac]

I don't think a hiphop and an electronic headliner would appear on the same day. Can you cite a single instance of a daytime Jay-Z set?
Live 8

[symbionese]

mmm. that had to have shifted a kidney...

[carligula]

Can you cite a single instance of a daytime Jay-Z set?

Sure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze5PvRdyukI

Arcade Fire played after him.

[symbionese]

spit roasted.

[carligula]

The quality is a bit better on this one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb8Woxj0sNs

I can't find any US shows (where he seems to get better billing), but this just shows that he's willing and able to throw down while the sun is still up.

[SecondSet]

K, fine. Jay has a lower profile in Europe, fyi (and Justice a higher one, of course). I don't expect either of these acts to play during the day. Nor do I expect Sigur Ros or SHM to do so. But while there obviously will be some overlap, I see no reason to assume the EDM headliner (who we've been told, however reliably or not, are on Friday) will go up against WTT (who won't even necessarily be there).

[SecondSet]

The quality is a bit better on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb8Woxj0sNs

I can't find any US shows (where he seems to get better billing), but this just shows that he's willing and able to throw down while the sun is still up.

He seems to take what he can get in Europe, including an incredible amount of quasi-racist objection to his headlining Glasto.

[carligula]

I don't expect either of these acts to play during the day.

I don't either. This isn't a prediction, it's a suggestion. I'm not predicting an incredible paradigm-shift in Lollaplaooza scheduling this year. I just got off on a tangent.

[psychosomatica]

K, fine. Jay has a lower profile in Europe, fyi (and Justice a higher one, of course). I don't expect either of these acts to play during the day. Nor do I expect Sigur Ros or SHM to do so. But while there obviously will be some overlap, I see no reason to assume the EDM headliner (who we've been told, however reliably or not, are on Friday) will go up against WTT (who won't even necessarily be there).

Assuming Jay never did a day act made you stick your foot in your mouth, so I'm not surprised you ever want to do that again.

[Spoonman11084]

I don't either. This isn't a prediction, it's a suggestion. I'm not predicting an incredible paradigm-shift in Lollaplaooza scheduling this year. I just got off on a tangent.

I don't think its going to change much either. I think this is a good start to Perry's ultimate dream of having Lollapalooza be half electronic acts though.

[SecondSet]

Assuming Jay never did a day act made you stick your foot in your mouth, so I'm not surprised you ever want to do that again.

I made no presumption. I asked for precedent for a hypothetical possibility. No one has provided it from this continent. All that was provided was Jay subheadlining for Arcade Fire, something that would never happen in Amurica.

[carligula]

I made no presumption. I asked for precedent for a hypothetical possibility. No one has provided it from this continent. All that was provided was Jay subheadlining for Arcade Fire, something that would never happen in Amurica.

Arcade Fire was #2 at Bonnaroo 2011. Jay Z was #4 the year before that. I know it's apples and oranges, but still....

[Five_Hole]

Metallica is returning to Mexico City on August 1 and August 2!

http://bit.ly/w3wIRg

At least they are in NA...

[Driftwood]

Want to believe (if only to prove buzz wrong).

[Driftwood]

Metallica - RHCP - Black Keys
SHM - Jack White - Sigur Ros

They'd fuck this up and do Metallica vs Sigur Ros right? :/

Not that objectively it would be fucking it up.

[concertgoer]

Well Metallica vs Sigur Ros would make a lot of sense.

[Driftwood]

Yeah see my edit. I'm really torn abut Metallica as a #1 with Orion going on too. Is WTT, Metallica, RHCP and Black Keys (last two based on personal conversations) plausible? Yes I know Coldplay was a 3/4 but ...

[KevBlu42]

I'd guess RHCP/TBK are cheaper than Coldplay/Muse, so it's certainly possible depending on how much they have to pay for Metallica and/or Throne.

[KevBlu42]

Anyone else a lot more confident in Metallica after those Mexico City dates? It puts them in a nice position to close out the fest on Sunday.

[dij22]

I don't know what to think of it, with their new massive stage setup they might just avoid festivals and do their own thing for a while.

[KevBlu42]

Or they could just modify it for Lolla. They used the round stage for most of World Magnetic and still played a bunch of festival dates.

IMO, Metallica isn't a band that needs a huge stage setup at this point. They don't really "run around" and I don't think people go to Metallica shows to see a spectacle. They go to hear 2 or so hours of songs they love.

[Five_Hole]

I don't know what to think of it, with their new massive stage setup they might just avoid festivals and do their own thing for a while.

What? Are we ignoring the 10 or so festivals they are playing in Europe this summer (and have for the past few years) in addition to the Orion festival in NJ?

[Five_Hole]

Anyone else a lot more confident in Metallica after those Mexico City dates? It puts them in a nice position to close out the fest on Sunday.

Posted this in the wrong thread initially...

It also puts them in a really shitty position to play the show at the Metro (or Vic) that I was hoping would accompany their headlining slot.

[claypoolfan]

Or they could just modify it for Lolla. They used the round stage for most of World Magnetic and still played a bunch of festival dates.

IMO, Metallica isn't a band that needs a huge stage setup at this point. They don't really "run around" and I don't think people go to Metallica shows to see a spectacle. They go to hear 2 or so hours of songs they love.

What? I mean, they don't have to run around, but the pyro/stage set/spectacle is one of the biggest parts of a Metallica concert IMO.

[KevBlu42]

What? I mean, they don't have to run around, but the pyro/stage set/spectacle is one of the biggest parts of a Metallica concert IMO.

I guess. I mean, I've never been to a Metallica show but I'd think people wouldn't give a shit what the stage looks like as long as they play the good shit.

[muthastone]

Anyone else a lot more confident in Metallica after those Mexico City dates? It puts them in a nice position to close out the fest on Sunday.

Aren't they supposed to play some other Mexico dates right after that though?

[KevBlu42]

Posted this in the wrong thread initially...

It also puts them in a really shitty position to play the show at the Metro (or Vic) that I was hoping would accompany their headlining slot.

Does it? I don't see why they couldn't arrive on Saturday and play a club show before headlining Lolla on Sunday. That's exactly what Foos did.

[KevBlu42]

Aren't they supposed to play some other Mexico dates right after that though?

Where did you get that idea?

[Five_Hole]

Aren't they supposed to play some other Mexico dates right after that though?


Where did you get that idea?

The article in the Mexican magazine or newspaper had the dates as Aug 3-4 I believe.