It Starts Now: Volume Four - 2012 Lollapalooza Headliner Speculation

[pieman27]

Metallica has done tons of stage setups just like the southside stage. Their summer sanitarium stages and the hard rock festival all had flat stages, and they still did their standard fire/fireworks show during the start of one. I do not see that being a logistical problem. If they were to do a club show I would be surprised if it wasn't exclusive to their metclub members.

[KevBlu42]

The article in the Mexican magazine or newspaper had the dates as Aug 3-4 I believe.

From what I can tell, that newspaper said they were playing Mexico City on the 4th, as well as a few other Mexican dates. Me thinks the Mexican dates got moved up a few dates with Lolla in mind for the weekend. That, or the paper didn't have their facts straight.

[nanatod]

"Activity: Musical Chairs"

sold.

I was the only person on the board who voted for 2005 in the which year was best poll about a week ago. Now you see that I was right.

[ferro_man]

I was the only person on the board who voted for 2005 in the which year was best poll about a week ago. Now you see that I was right.

wasn't the poll about best headliners?

[nanatod]

Live 8

also, he played 3 or 4 shows during the 24 hour that he did the hangar tour in the u.s. all the east coast shows on the hangar tour were during the day. it was only when he got to chicago that he started with the three nighttime shows.

http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1546157/20061118/jay_z.jhtml?headlines=true

[nanatod]

wasn't the poll about best headliners?

the pixies playing both version of wave of mutilation made them the best lollapalooza headliner ever in my book.

[ferro_man]

the pixies playing both version of wave of mutilation made them the best lollapalooza headliner ever in my book.

2005 was the worst lolla for me because of how much of it i missed due to not being able to handle the heat and the whole festival in one field

[johnd12751]

If Green Day and Daft Punk had no issue with their stages on the south, there's no way in hell Metallica will.

[dij22]

What? Are we ignoring the 10 or so festivals they are playing in Europe this summer (and have for the past few years) in addition to the Orion festival in NJ?

I did a horrible job of making my point, but I was referring just to North America. Maybe they just do Orion/Mexico/some other goofy shit rather than hit up Lolla, where I'm assuming they'll get way less money than one of their own huge shows.

[SecondSet]

Metallica is going to add shows in Guadalajara and Monterrey - http://www.sopitas.com/site/149288-rumor-metallica-regresa-a-mexico-en-agosto/

The question for Lolla is whether those dates are the weekend before or after Mexico City (on a Wednesday and Thursday). I think after makes more sense, especially in light of the earlier article referencing August 4. They could then continue up the coast towards a certain festival in their hometown Bay Area the following weekend.

[symbionese]

The question for Lolla is whether those dates are the weekend before or after.

the question isn't for lolla. the question is for mexico.

[SecondSet]

the question isn't for lolla. the question is for mexico.

Que pasa, ese.

[ferro_man]

the question isn't for lolla. the question is for mexico.


I would imagine that Metallica would make more from playing lollla, so it would be in their best interest to
other mexican cities -> Mexcio City -> Lolla
than
Mexico City -> other Mexican cities

right?

[SecondSet]

Anyway, I'm not going to say Metallica is out, but I think that's the most likely implication of these dates.

[symbionese]

Que pasa, ese.

you and i do not run in the same cliqua.

[SecondSet]

That's right. I'm above 14th Street.

[symbionese]

That's right. I'm above 14th Street.

shit... you could be right next door and it would still hold true.

[SecondSet]

Hey, this guy must be cool.

[MadBird11]

And now SecondSet might be BDBU.

[TheCountofMonteDisco]

you and i do not run in the same cliqua.

i lol'ed all over the place.


Anyway, I'm not going to say Metallica is out, but I think that's the most likely implication of these dates.

gee.... ya think so?

knowing what we know already....to have thought for one second that Metallica had more than a 0% chance of playing Lolla really takes some incredible feat of life maroonery.

[Nile19]

i lol'ed all over the place.



gee.... ya think so?

knowing what we know already....to have thought for one second that Metallica had more than a 0% chance of playing Lolla really takes some incredible feat of life maroonery.

so there is a chance?

[carligula]

knowing what we know already....to have thought for one second that Metallica had more than a 0% chance of playing Lolla really takes some incredible feat of life maroonery.

Please go away.

[SecondSet]

Professionals don't advertise their upset so blatantly, buzz.

And I've never changed my tune on Metallica - I came on this board initially challenging the notion they would play this year, but I never regarded them as an impossibility, and certainly not for the reasons you do.

[cosmo]

I probably missed where the Mexican article was discussed prior, but what did it say and is it reliable?

What date are they playing Mexico City?

[ferro_man]

I probably missed where the Mexican article was discussed prior, but what did it say and is it reliable?

What date are they playing Mexico City?

from what i remember the mexican article said august 3rd and 4th and metallica.com is saying august 1st and 2nd

[KevBlu42]

from what i remember the mexican article said august 3rd and 4th and metallica.com is saying august 1st and 2nd

I'm going to reiterate what I said earlier. It's possible the Mexican outlet reported on the dates before they were finalized and Metallica moved the dates up a few days in order to leave the weekend open for Lolla.

Yeah, it's also possible they're playing other shows in Mexico that weekend, but I don't think we should count them out yet.

[ferro_man]

I'm going to reiterate what I said earlier. It's possible the Mexican outlet reported on the dates before they were finalized and Metallica moved the dates up a few days in order to leave the weekend open for Lolla.

Yeah, it's also possible they're playing other shows in Mexico that weekend, but I don't think we should count them out yet.

we're on the same page

[Five_Hole]

Even though they have been known to change their story later down the line the press release makes a big deal of the unveiling their new stage in Mexico City. So if they add additional dates they would have to be after the Mexico City dates. Bottom line is that if there is any truth to the rumor of them adding additional dates in Mexico, they aren't playing Lolla.

[lexusbailey]

Kaskade could headline Perry's right?

[KevBlu42]

Kaskade could headline Perry's right?

No.

[ferro_man]

Kaskade could headline Perry's right?

seeing as last year girl talk, pretty lights and kid kudi (who played perry's while deadmau5 was on a main stage) headlined perrys, I could see kaskade can probably do it

kaskade played lolla 2010 and was scheduled from 7:30 to 8:30
rusko played after him and empire of the sun headlined that night

[lexusbailey]

http://www.freaksofnaturetour.com/ Kaskade looks
Like a lock

[JML]

lol

[KevBlu42]

lol

Seriously.

[Miller]

Kaskade could headline Perry's right?

There is no Perry's. (http://theboard.lollapalooza.com/showthread.php?1537-Mr.-Kot-has-said-some-things)

[brynrich]

There is no Perry's tent. (http://theboard.lollapalooza.com/showthread.php?1537-Mr.-Kot-has-said-some-things)

ftfy

[Miller]

no dedicated EDM stage = no Perry's

[ferro_man]

no dedicated EDM stage = no Perry's

same amount of EDM acts as there were last year = Perry's

[hux90]

Back with some more Osheaga news:
OSHEAGA 2012: Florence and the Machine, The Shins, Amadou & Mariam, Justice, M83 . Rest of the line up will be announced on Tuesday at 10pm.

EDIT: Oh, and Marilyn Manson, System of a Down and Slipknot and Lamb of God for Heavy MTL, although I hardly think that changes anything for Lollapalooza...

[concertgoer]

Hopefully Osheaga will announce which day those bands are playing because then we know which days they are playing Lolla.

[hux90]

Hopefully Osheaga will announce which day those bands are playing because then we know which days they are playing Lolla.

Yeah that's probably not happening, previously they announced the days 1 month after the lineup, and then the schedule 1 month after that.

EDIT: Last year it was lineup, then one week later day-by-day, then schedule two months later.

[Spoonman11084]

Are we banking on all of these Osheaga acts playing Lolla too? Im scared some, or all of these, chose Osheaga over Lolla.

[nikkirkpatrick]

did you guys hear about this?

http://www.gonorthwest.com/Oregon/images_or/OR_Cascade_Mountains.gif

[MookieDaddy]

I didn't click the link, but I'm assuming it's saying that Kaskade will be playing Lolla

[nikkirkpatrick]

it's a map of the cascade mountains

[MookieDaddy]

nicely done.

[carligula]

Are we banking on all of these Osheaga acts playing Lolla too? Im scared some, or all of these, chose Osheaga over Lolla.

Here's who played last year the weekend BEFORE Lolla (which has always been the case before now as far as I can tell):


River Stage
Friday: Kid Koala, Charles Bradley, Bran Van 3000, Eminem
Saturday: The Midway State, Hey Rosetta!, John Butler Trio, Karkwa, Death From Above 1979, Elvis Costello & The Imposters
Sunday: Typhoon, Eels, Cypress Hill, Beirut, The Tragically Hip, The Flaming Lips

Mountain Stage
Friday: The Knux, Broken Social Scene, Janelle Monáe
Saturday: The 222s, Manchester Orchestra, Tokyo Police Club, Sam Roberts Band, Lupe Fiasco, Bright Eyes
Sunday: The Sheepdogs, Frightened Rabbit, The Sounds, Malajube, City and Colour, Death Cab For Cutie

Green Stage
Friday: Lights, Glass Candy, Joseph Arthur, Timber Timbre
Saturday: Passwords, Oh Land, Braids, Twin Shadow, Sia, Ratatat, Bassnectar
Sunday: Sherlock, An Horse, Smith Westerns, The Pains of Being Pure at Heart, Ellie Goulding, White Lies, Crystal Castles, MSTRKRFT

Trees Stage
Friday: Sweet Thing, Uncle Bad Touch, Ana Tijoux, El Ten Eleven, The Rural Alberta Advantage, The Barr Brothers
Saturday: Jesuslesfilles, The High Dials, Mother Mother, The Mountain Goats, Suuns, PS I Love You, Anna Calvi, Sam Adams, Fucked Up
Sunday: Elephant Stone, Jimmy Hunt, Freedom or Death, The Luyas, Viva Brother, The Joy Formidable, The Low Anthem, Shad, Baths, Galaxie

Zone Piknic Electronik
Friday: Slim Jim, Alaclair Ensemble, Comic Strip, MC2, DJ Cosmo
Saturday: DUVALL, Egyptrixx, DâM-Funk, Jacques Greene, Robot Koch, Robot Koch, Girl Unit
Sunday: A-Rock + Shaydakiss, Dillon Francis, Jeremy Ellis, Jamie xx, Claude Von Stroke

[concertgoer]

I counted 16 acts that played both and like Carl said that was the weekend before Lolla, so I would expect even more overlap this year.

[Audiobully]

same amount of EDM acts as there were last year = Perry's

Didn't Kot confirm there will still be a dance stage? I gathered the larger acts will not play Perry's but be on various stages throughout the weekend.

[carligula]

But one week to get from Montreal to Chicago is obviously more do-able than doing both fests in one weekend.

[nikkirkpatrick]

grandstands

[carligula]

Didn't Kot confirm there will still be a dance stage? I gathered the larger acts will not play Perry's but be on various stages throughout the weekend.

Five_Hole asked him to clarify and he said they were going to be dance acts on all the stages, but they will probably use the area used for Perry's 2011 as an additional stage.

[carligula]

I counted 16 acts that played both and like Carl said that was the weekend before Lolla, so I would expect even more overlap this year.

As I stated above, I would think it would LESS likely.

[symbionese]

Five_Hole asked him to clarify and he said they were going to be dance acts on all the stages, but they will probably use the area used for Perry's 2011 as a separate dubstep stage.

.

[concertgoer]

As I stated above, I would think it would LESS likely.

Montreal>Toronto>Chicago or vice versa doesn't seem that difficult to pull off in a weekend and the acts without Toronto dates could have a travel day in between Lolla and Osheaga.

[hux90]

Montreal>Toronto>Chicago or vice versa doesn't seem that difficult to pull off in a weekend and the acts without Toronto dates could have a travel day in between Lolla and Osheaga.

That would mean that Saturday Osheaga acts aren't likely at all for Lolla, so in two weeks we'll know a list of acts that aren't playing Lolla.

[MookieDaddy]

If Against Me! could play a show in LA the night before their Lolla show in 2010, bands can do the Montreal/Toronto/Chi thing pretty easily.

[carligula]

Montreal>Toronto>Chicago or vice versa doesn't seem that difficult to pull off in a weekend and the acts without Toronto dates could have a travel day in between Lolla and Osheaga.

I know all of the scenarios are possible, but I'll put it this way: What's more likely? A band plays any day of Osheaga one weekend and any day of Lollapalooza the next weekend, with a handful of shows in Toronto, Detroit, MN, etc. OR a band plays Friday/Saturday of one fest and Saturday/Sunday of the other fest in the same weekend?

You can really make a case for either. The first scenario is good for acts that aren't in the midst of a tour, but are only playing festivals, while the other is ideal for a touring act.

[carligula]

That would mean that Saturday Osheaga acts aren't likely at all for Lolla, so in two weeks we'll know a list of acts that aren't playing Lolla.

Does not compute.

[hux90]

...we'll know a list of acts that probably aren't playing Lolla.

[nikkirkpatrick]

we'll definitely know a list of acts. beyond that...

[carligula]

That computes! ; )

Although, didn't we determine that we're a long way away from knowing the full daily breakdown for Osheaga? Nevermind. Just saw your edit.

So the daily Osheaga breakdown is likely to drop right around the same time as the Lolla lineup.

[hux90]

So the daily Osheaga breakdown is likely to drop right around the same time as the Lolla lineup.

Actually no. Lineup drops next Tuesday, and history tells us that day by day will be on the 27th.

[carligula]

Okay, so probably at least 2 weeks in advance. Right on!

[Driftwood]

I counted 16 acts that played both and like Carl said that was the weekend before Lolla, so I would expect even more overlap this year.

Yeah I'm with Carl. Same weekend = less overlap in my mind.

[SecondSet]

I wouldn't want to judge whether there will be more or less overlap. Bottom line, Saturday Osheaga acts are unlikely for Lolla, but Friday and Sunday acts are entirely possible, and perhaps moreso than if the fests were on different weekends. Edit: actually, maybe not, depending on soundcheck needs/timeslots.

[Driftwood]

I wouldn't want to judge whether there will be more or less overlap. Bottom line, Saturday Osheaga acts are unlikely for Lolla, but Friday and Sunday acts are entirely possible, and perhaps moreso than if the fests were on different weekends.

Sounds like you made a judgment but hedged with "perhaps moreso".

[Nile19]

I counted 16 acts that played both and like Carl said that was the weekend before Lolla, so I would expect even more overlap this year.

I'm with you, I think the overlap increases a lot

[symbionese]

all things being the same -- montreal is the better town.

[SecondSet]

Sounds like you made a judgment but hedged with "perhaps moreso".

Do you have a point? I made judgments regarding individual days, but not a cumulative judgment regarding the weekend as a whole.

[Nile19]

all things being the same -- montreal is the better town.

Would you rather therefore go to Osheaga over Lolla?

[hux90]

all things being the same -- montreal is the better town.

But Lolla is the better fest.

[symbionese]

do neither of you understand what 'all things being the same' means?

[hux90]

Obviously I had overlooked that part.

[SecondSet]

all things being the same -- montreal is the better town.

Quelle dommage.

[nikkirkpatrick]

I'm cool, right?

.

[MadBird11]

Basically.

[SecondSet]

Just standing with my man Toby Keith.

[nikkirkpatrick]

stand closer to the shooting range

[MadBird11]

(Joke about putting a boot in your ass or however that song goes)

[nikkirkpatrick]

'Murica

[#realtalk]

I know this is a bit back, but i've been following this thread for a while. What is the reason that people think Swedish House Mafia will be the EDM headliner?

Cause Axwell, one of the three DJ's that make up SHM is in the Netherlands on August 4th...

http://www.axwell.co.uk/

[carligula]

WHOA! Game changer! Nice work! Welcome to the board, #realtalk.

[nikkirkpatrick]

i bet angello could headline on his own.

[JML]

This is great news

IRT realtalk

[MadBird11]

i bet angello could headline on his own.

For real, how many bros are going to know who or how many of them are on stage?

[MadBird11]

Also, the flight from Chicago to Amsterdam is about 8 hours. Imagine it wouldn't be hard to to play Friday (like people had been saying), fly over with the equipment, and press play for an hour or two.

[here'slala]

So does this lead us back to thinking Justice?

[Nile19]

YAY! Justice in for SHM

[nikkirkpatrick]

For real, how many bros are going to know who or how many of them are on stage?

they can bring avicii up to replace axwell and no one would know.

[MadBird11]

1. There is no us.

2. Not really.

[MadBird11]

they can bring avicii up to replace axwell and no one would know.

It all sounds the same to me, so sure.

[here'slala]

1. There is no us.

2. Not really.

rood

[concertgoer]

i bet angello could headline on his own.

The North field? No way

[nikkirkpatrick]

It all sounds the same to me, so sure.

MAKE SOME FUCKIN' NOOOOOOOIIIISE

[nikkirkpatrick]

The North field? No way

like uncle fred said, no one will know the difference.

[MadBird11]

MAKE SOME FUCKIN' NOOOOOOOIIIISE

Is this the part where the bass drops out and I put my hands in the air?

[nikkirkpatrick]

Is this the part where the bass drops out and I put my hands in the air?

like you just don't care

[concertgoer]

YAY! Justice in for SHM

But Krentist says that they aren't big enough to headline!

[carligula]

Is this the part where the bass drops out and I put my hands in the air?

That's not where your hands go if you're looking to make a love connection at an untz untz untz show. Please wash them first, though.

[rosettastoned462]

But Krentist says that they aren't big enough to headline!

Is a one off Chemical Brothers show out of the question?

[MadBird11]

Is a one off Chemical Brothers show out of the question?

This is Lolla we're talking about.

[#realtalk]

Is a one off Chemical Brothers show out of the question?

Not sure that it would draw enough of the crowd that Perry seems to be looking for. C3 is trying to get name appeal. I'm thinking someone with more recent success, especially in the US (Tiesto, Avicii, David Guetta?)
Edit: Not skrillex, I would die

[MookieDaddy]

That's not where your hands go if you're looking to make a love connection at an untz untz untz show. Please wash them first, though.

Carl knows what's up.

[MookieDaddy]

Not sure that it would draw enough of the crowd that Perry seems to be looking for. C3 is trying to get name appeal. I'm thinking someone with more recent success, especially in the US (Tiesto, Avicii, David Guetta?)
Edit: Not skrillex, I would die

Don't worry Skrillex is at that Spring Awakening thing, he won't be at Lolla.
No David Guetta also, he just announced a show in May at the Congress.

[snoopydoggy2002]

Chemical brothers!

[Nile19]

Justice opening for Daft

[snoopydoggy2002]

When that source who said Friday night edm headliner he said it was a big name. Chemical brothers are the biggest name in the is united states in edm besides daft punk.

[nikkirkpatrick]

When that source who said Friday night edm headliner he said it was a big name. Chemical brothers are the biggest name in the is united states in edm besides daft punk.

WROOOOOOOOOOOONG

[MookieDaddy]

I'd post the skirllex bee gif again here, but I'm too tired.

[snoopydoggy2002]

WROOOOOOOOOOOONG

Oh yeah? Who is then?

[Audiobully]

Skrillex or David Guetta. For the over 26 crowd, yes, it would be Chemical or Daft. For the under 26 crowd, IE, Lolla's core demo, it's Skirllex, Guetta or SHM.

[nikkirkpatrick]

Oh yeah? Who is then?

skrillex or tiesto or deadmau5 or guetta or SHM

[#realtalk]

Oh yeah? Who is then?

Avicii. and the others listed above

[#realtalk]

Any reason Calvin Harris couldn't be the headliner? I know a lot of people on this forum hate electronic, but only some of it is straight bro music.
Also its probably the easiest to make random guesses on.

[nikkirkpatrick]

he only does dj sets, and he's not that big.

[snoopydoggy2002]

I am talking biggest all time there is no denying the top 2 biggest all time are daft and chemical.
All the others will be a flash in the pan compared to those two.

It's like saying Taylor swift is more popular than the Beatles. Maybe she is now but definitely not all time.

[sleeping]

FWIW Fatboy Slim did Lollapalooza Chile last year and both South American Lollas this year have the Crystal Method.

[rosettastoned462]

BLACK SABBATH * WATCH THE THRONE * THE BLACK KEYS
JACK WHITE * SYSTEM OF A DOWN * CHEMICAL BROTHERS (only US show)


TBK vs. SoaD
WTT vs. JW
BS vs CB

[nikkirkpatrick]

I am talking biggest all time there is no denying the top 2 biggest all time are daft and chemical.
All the others will be a flash in the pan compared to those two.

It's like saying Taylor swift is more popular than the Beatles. Maybe she is now but definitely not all time.

would lolla book taylor swift or the beatles in 2012?

[luste]

Guetta is so bad now, its pretty pathetic. Shame too, because i saw him play some tight sets at WMC back in the day before he started sampling hip hop and dumbing his beats down.

[#realtalk]

Fair enough. Did anyone else see this?
http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/news/international/31902/New-Daft-Punk-album-coming-maybe-June

It doesnt sound like a very confident quote, but plausibility of it happening?

[rosettastoned462]

OMGOMGOMGOMGDAFTPUNK!!!!!!

[muthastone]

Fair enough. Did anyone else see this?
http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/news/international/31902/New-Daft-Punk-album-coming-maybe-June

It doesnt sound like a very confident quote, but plausibility of it happening?

dis betta be sum realtalk

[luste]

Fair enough. Did anyone else see this?
http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/news/international/31902/New-Daft-Punk-album-coming-maybe-June

It doesnt sound like a very confident quote, but plausibility of it happening?

Until Thomas Bangalter says it, not buying.

[that1guy]

BLACK SABBATH * WATCH THE THRONE * THE BLACK KEYS
JACK WHITE * SYSTEM OF A DOWN * CHEMICAL BROTHERS (only US show)


TBK vs. SoaD
WTT vs. JW
BS vs CB

A bold prediction on SoaD. Not so sure C3 would book them. Though the reunion would draw in crowds.

[ruthlessvengeance]

It's like saying Taylor swift is more popular than the Beatles. Maybe she is now but definitely not all time.

She already has more money and a lot of years left to make more money and get bigger. Be careful what you wish for.

[SecondSet]

Wow. So SHM, Tiesto, and Guetta are all out (as are Deadmau5 and Skrillex). Calvin Harris is certainly a good bet, but not a headliner. Is Avicii? I think Chemical Brothers or Fatboy Slim are your best bets. The last four are all WME acts (as is SOAD).

[MookieDaddy]

Why is Tiesto out? I only see dates in Spain the weekend after Lolla.

[Audiobully]

....and Justice.

[SecondSet]

Ultra Korea

[SecondSet]

Justice is definitely playing, and definitely not a headliner

[MookieDaddy]

Ultra Korea

Ah ha. He doesn't have that listed on his website at the moment.

[#realtalk]

Afrojack big enough to headline? I wouldn't have thought that deadmau5 was, but he did last year. And I understand that Afrojack was at Perry's last year, but deadmau5 was at Perry's in 2009.

Also, we've eliminated (as headliners): Tiesto, SHM, Justice, David Guetta, Harris.
Who's left thats big enough? Avicii, Daft Punk (?), Fatboy Slim....
I can name plenty of electronic artists, just not enough that are big enough to headline North (or South for that matter)

[concertgoer]

Justice is definitely playing, and definitely not a headliner

With today's news if there is going to be an edm headliner it's most likely going to be them.

[nikkirkpatrick]

afrojack is getting to that point, i think.

[WretchedSkye2113]

isn't afrojack headlining the one spring thingy in chicago though?

i mean radius clause don't mean shit, but...

[Krentistthedentist]

Swedish House Mafia can suck my fucking cock and I'm glad they won't be there.

[concertgoer]

Also Afrojack played last year

[didyouseethe]

With today's news if there is going to be an edm headliner it's most likely going to be them.


.

[Thisismyname]

Or there won't be an EDM headliner.

[didyouseethe]

Definitely seems like Justice will be the biggest electronic act on the bill, at this point.

[WretchedSkye2113]

Or there won't be an EDM headliner.
http://i.imgur.com/oqbf9.gif

[nikkirkpatrick]

Also Afrojack played last year

he's the edm version of the black keys.

[MadBird11]

Or there won't be an EDM headliner.

I don't believe.

[#realtalk]

So, can we change the default EDM headliner to Avicii, since there is nothing to suggest otherwise and Justice has been dismantled as a North headliner, due to their lack of success with the last album?

[Nile19]

I think it will be either: Justice, Chemical Bros, Daft Punk, or no EDM headliner

[WretchedSkye2113]

So, can we change the default EDM headliner to Avicii, since there is nothing to suggest otherwise and Justice has been dismantled as a North headliner, due to their lack of success with the last album?

Despite how it may seem in recent pages,
we don't really have a "default EDM headliner." all names have been tossed around at one point or another, without much guidance into who is more likely.

also, Avicii is billed even lower than Justice at Coachella.

[Nile19]

So, can we change the default EDM headliner to Avicii, since there is nothing to suggest otherwise and Justice has been dismantled as a North headliner, due to their lack of success with the last album?

Justice is billed higher on the Coachella lineup this year, I could see Avicii sub for Justice though if he is there
(edit: you won that race wretched)

[Thisismyname]

WHAT ABOUT DA PRODIGY!?

[MadBird11]

Let's not talk about Daft Punk ok?

[#realtalk]

Despite how it may seem in recent pages,
we don't really have a "default EDM headliner." all names have been tossed around at one point or another, without much guidance into who is more likely.

also, Avicii is billed even lower than Justice at Coachella.

Ah. Didn't see that. And the reason I said the first part was because many of the prior headliner guesses had SHM listed as their EDM headliner.

But this does make me realize how open this year is for possible artists (electronic and non-electronic)

[Neader]

So is Justice out just because we don't think they're big enough to headline?

[WretchedSkye2113]

WHAT ABOUT DA PRODIGY!?

i told ya's we shoulda just booked all of Download!

[Didier]

What is this nonsense talk about Justice not being the EDM headliner. Of course they are, it's staring at us right in the face.

Also Florence and the Machine. Everyone agrees she'll be there but nobody puts her in the top 6? I don't get it...I think people have unrealistic expectations of the size of acts #5-6 on Lolla lineups.

Florence and Justice will be acts#5-6. MMJ and Deadmau5 held those spots last year so it's not that hard to fathom for pete's sake.

[MookieDaddy]

So is Justice out just because we don't think they're big enough to headline?

They're not out of Lolla, just most likely not in the top 6.

[SecondSet]

Justice may be (is) a better act than Passion Pit, but moves fewer tickets. They're co-billed, at best, at Red Rocks - http://www.redrocksonline.com/CalendarEventDisplay.aspx?id=160361.

I think your EDM headliner is Crystal Method or Fatboy Slim.

[Krentistthedentist]

I don't see Justice headlining but maybe if SHM is not coming the fest will be stupid enough to book them as the crossover alternative to some rocky headliner.

[concertgoer]

Justice may be (is) a better act than Passion Pit, but moves fewer tickets. They're co-billed, at best, at Red Rocks - http://www.redrocksonline.com/CalendarEventDisplay.aspx?id=160361.

I think your EDM headliner is Crystal Method or Fatboy Slim.

Justice are bigger draws than both of those acts.

[didyouseethe]

I don't see Justice headlining but maybe if SHM is not coming the fest will be stupid enough to book them as the crossover alternative to some rocky headliner.

Thinking this.

Has SHM been ruled out earlier in the thread? I thought they were still considered open Lolla weekend.

[WretchedSkye2113]

omg crystal method or fatboy slim would me so happy.
(maybe that's just because i'm comparing them to fucking dubstep)

[Nile19]

Justice are bigger draws than both of those acts.

agreed

[MookieDaddy]

Thinking this.

Has SHM been ruled out earlier in the thread? I thought they were still considered open Lolla weekend.

Someone pointed out earlier that one of the guys in SHM is booked to dj another festival or something that same weekend in Europe, so they are very unlikely.

[Neader]

So why not SHM?

[MadBird11]

omg crystal method or fatboy slim would me so happy.
(maybe that's just because i'm comparing them to fucking dubstep)

wubwubwub you grammatically incorrect fanboy.

[Nile19]

Let's not talk about Daft Punk ok?

Frankly, idk who else to talk about anymore if you guys dont want to accept Justice as a headliner, I think Chemical Bros are possible but thats about it

[SecondSet]

Justice are bigger draws than both of those acts.

Yeah, I guess you're right, at this point. Still not a headlining act. Bassnectar?

[Didier]

What is so hard to fathom about Justice being the EDM headliner and #6 spot on the lineup? I don't understand the board's resistance in regards to acknowledging this.

[didyouseethe]

Someone pointed out earlier that one of the guys in SHM is booked to dj another festival or something that same weekend in Europe, so they are very unlikely.

Thanks for the update.

[MookieDaddy]

Thanks for the update.

The exact post is here (http://theboard.lollapalooza.com/showthread.php?442-It-Starts-Now-Volume-Four-2012-Lollapalooza-Headliner-Speculation&p=287817&viewfull=1#post287817).

[SecondSet]

What is so hard to fathom about Justice being the EDM headliner and #6 spot on the lineup? I don't understand the board's resistance in regards to acknowledging this.

Because they aren't big enough a draw.

[ruthlessvengeance]

Yeah, I guess you're right, at this point. Still not a headlining act. Bassnectar?

I like a lot of what Bassnectar does. I have seen him twice and it was a lot more enjoyable than the Deadmau5 show at Lollapalooza.

[Nile19]

What is so hard to fathom about Justice being the EDM headliner and #6 spot on the lineup? I don't understand the board's resistance in regards to acknowledging this.

I don't either... also I think no to Bassnectar as well as a headliner

[didyouseethe]

Tiesto?

bleh.

[MookieDaddy]

Tiesto?

bleh.

Don't know if you saw earlier, but he's out. Playing in Korea that Saturday.

[Didier]

Hearing comments about how Justice is not big enough for spot#6 is just as comical and naive as thinking Florence is not big enough for spot#5.

Oh I know what the reply will be...."But look at Florence's spot on the Coachella poster!". Well, since then she's selling out amphitheatre shows that hold 12,000-16,000.

[didyouseethe]

Ah....i just checked his dates and it wasn't listed on his site.

Slim pickin's for a worthy EDM headliner, it seems.

[nikkirkpatrick]

people need to stop checking tiestos website. just reading that makes me cringe.

[Miller]

Because they aren't big enough a draw.

They don't really need to be. If they're the untz that C3 puts on at night (especially against someone like System of a Down), they have a good shot at outdrawing the other field.

[Neader]

I pray for Daft Punk.

[concertgoer]

They don't really need to be. If they're the untz that C3 puts on at night, they have a good shot at outdrawing the other field.

I think they will draw a decent sized crowd, but it won't be bigger than the south stage headliner.
The Mouse didn't outdraw Foos last year and he is bigger than Justice.

[arbee]

omg crystal method would me so happy.


.

[Miller]

I think they will draw a decent sized crowd, but it won't be bigger than the south stage headliner.
The Mouse didn't outdraw Foos last year and he is bigger than Justice.

"Outdraw" was an overstatement. But Foos are less divisive than a metal band.

[concertgoer]

The Throne- RHCP- The Black Keys
Jack White- Beck- Justice

The Black Keys vs Justice
RHCP vs Jack White
The Throne vs Beck

[Didier]

The Throne- RHCP- The Black Keys
Jack White- Beck- Justice

The Black Keys vs Justice
RHCP vs Jack White
The Throne vs Beck

This is one of the more plausible I've seen. Except the absence of Florence and the Machine. Are you implying she will not be there or will be there but not in the top 6?

[arbee]

shit

[JML]

The Throne- RHCP- The Black Keys
Jack White- Beck- Justice

The Black Keys vs Justice
RHCP vs Jack White
The Throne vs Beck

I can definitely live with this.

[Nile19]

I think it is really interesting how the board was sure of RHCP a few months ago, then sure they were out, now they are back in again

[Nile19]

The Throne- RHCP- The Black Keys
Jack White- Beck- Justice

The Black Keys vs Justice
RHCP vs Jack White
The Throne vs Beck

very solid IMO

[concertgoer]

This is one of the more plausible I've seen. Except the absence of Florence and the Machine. Are you implying she will not be there or will be there but not in the top 6?

I think Florence will be there and she could end up in the top 6. I am still thinking that C3 wants to have an EDM headliner, but if they don't I could easily see her getting the 6 slot.

[arbee]

one headliner i care about

[Nile19]

I think Florence will be there and she could end up in the top 6. I am still thinking that C3 wants to have an EDM headliner, but if they don't I could easily see her getting the 6 slot.

Maybe just take out beck and you have it
The Throne- RHCP- The Black Keys
Jack White- Florence - Justice

[Neader]

I'd see Jack White, The Throne, and The Black Keys.

Would love the Cure but it's unrealistic.

[nanatod]

Frankly, idk who else to talk about anymore if you guys dont want to accept Justice as a headliner, I think Chemical Bros are possible but thats about it

kraftwerk? paul oakenfold? armin van buuren? orbital? the orb? calvin harris? ghostland observatory? fisherspooner? dj spooky? dj shadow? unkle? everything but the girl? neu? cluster? whatever's left of can? cecil taylor? ornette coleman? prodigy? roni size?

[concertgoer]

one headliner i care about

The Black Keys or Beck?

[arbee]

The Black Keys or Beck?

Jack White

[Nile19]

kraftwerk? paul oakenfold? armin van buuren? orbital? the orb? calvin harris? ghostland observatory? fisherspooner? dj spooky? dj shadow? unkle? everything but the girl? neu? cluster? whatever's left of can? cecil taylor? ornette coleman? prodigy? roni size?

I agree all are big, but I dont see any as a headliner

[Didier]

kraftwerk? paul oakenfold? armin van buuren? orbital? the orb? calvin harris? ghostland observatory? fisherspooner? dj spooky? dj shadow? unkle? everything but the girl? neu? cluster? whatever's left of can? cecil taylor? ornette coleman? prodigy? roni size?

The only ones on here who have a bigger pull than Justice in North America are Kraftwerk and perhaps Prodigy (debateable).

[nanatod]

armin plays to 12000 to 15000 people when he plays a venue like movistar arena. I think that's comparable to north stage lollapalooza.

in reply to nile19

[SecondSet]

Hearing comments about how Justice is not big enough for spot#6 is just as comical and naive as thinking Florence is not big enough for spot#5.

Oh I know what the reply will be...."But look at Florence's spot on the Coachella poster!". Well, since then she's selling out amphitheatre shows that hold 12,000-16,000.

Justice is co- or lower-billed than Passion Pit at Red Rocks, a 9500-capacity venue that Flo has sold out on her own. Bassnectar and Kaskade are also playing it solo.

[WretchedSkye2113]

anti-krent-apalooza

Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Black Keys * No Doubt
System of a Down * Mumford & Sons * Fleet Foxes

[Krentistthedentist]

armin plays to 12000 to 15000 people when he plays a venue like movistar arena. I think that's comparable to north stage lollapalooza.

in reply to nile19

Ugggghhhhhh

[SecondSet]

The only ones on here who have a bigger pull than Justice in North America are Kraftwerk and perhaps Prodigy (debateable).

Ok, Didier from Toronto in re: "North America."

[Neader]

anti-krent-apalooza

Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Black Keys * No Doubt
System of a Down * Mumford & Sons * Fleet Foxes

ewwww.

[fan o gano]

kraftwerk? paul oakenfold? armin van buuren? orbital? the orb? calvin harris? ghostland observatory? fisherspooner? dj spooky? dj shadow? unkle? everything but the girl? neu? cluster? whatever's left of can? cecil taylor? ornette coleman? prodigy? roni size?

I was following you at first but why are you including cecil taylor or ornette coleman (for example) in a discussion about Justice?

[nanatod]

Ugggghhhhhh

I did some more searching. van buuren played to 30,000 people in the netherlands on his asot tour.

[thombjorke.]

anti-krent-apalooza

Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Black Keys * No Doubt
System of a Down * Mumford & Sons * Fleet Foxes


Could be better than what we actually get.

[sleeping]

I did some more searching. van buuren played to 30,000 people in the netherlands on his asot tour.
Yeah, and he's Dutch. What's the biggest crowd he's played for in the USA?

[thombjorke.]

Armin Van Buuren would most likely never play Lolla. He's too big for Perry's and not big enough for the North Stage.

[Krentistthedentist]

I did some more searching. van buuren played to 30,000 people in the netherlands on his asot tour.

Derp.

[didyouseethe]

A feel like some of those names are of minimal interest to the usual Lolla-bro.

[Krentistthedentist]

Nana, here. Let's play a game.
Which one of these countries is Chicagopalooza in

Chile
The Netherlands
The United States
Spain

[#realtalk]

Nana, here. Let's play a game.
Which one of these countries is Chicagopalooza in

Chile
The Netherlands
The United States
Spain
None of the above?

[#realtalk]

Also, out of that other list of electronic artists only one to headline would be kraftwerk, who may come out for lolla but unlikely. Only dates are for NYC and Ultra (which is a huge electronic fest).

And I know that on the ultra lineup Kaskade is billed lower than both Justice and Avicii, barely above Bassnectar. But he did headline the ID Fest tour last year, above Avicii and Pretty lights
We are most likely going to get Kaskade. Anyone see him as the possible headliner vs. a metal band?

Edit: Kaskade is from Evanston (additional appeal there?)

[thombjorke.]

LOL Kraftwerk would never headline Lollapalooza. They're billed second on their day at Ultra out of respect but they're only playing second to last on the second biggest stage.

[ruthlessvengeance]

Edit: Kaskade is from Evanston (additional appeal there?)

Maybe he knew Eddie Vedder.

[Thisismyname]

The Throne- RHCP- The Black Keys
Jack White- Beck- Florence and the Machine- Justice

The Black Keys vs Florence & The Machine (7:00-8:30) -> Justice (9:00-10:00)
RHCP vs Jack White
The Throne vs Beck

How about something like this.

Well actually that's a lot of shit for the kiddies on one day. (BK, Flor & Justice), but you get the idea.

We've been suggesting situations like this for years now though, so it probably still won't happen.

[Spoonman11084]

The Prodigy would be awesome! I doubt it, but it would be great.

[Dumbass]

Feel free to call me stupid, but why is Radiohead not being talked about?

Based on the 6/17/11 My Morning Jacket thing, shouldn't Radiohead still be eligible?

It seems about as plausible as anything else being discussed (Except TBK and the bleep bloop headliner).

[WretchedSkye2113]

i won't be the one to use your username to any advantage here,

but as for the comparison, MMJ was a #5 and Radiohead would be a #1.
having a top tier headliner break the radius clause is a far bigger economic (and probably legal) issue.

[Thisismyname]

Radiohead was never a legitimate option. Even less so now that there is the tour date.

[carligula]

Radiohead was never a legitimate option. Even less so now that there is the tour date.

I think the new guy might want you to elaborate on why they can't come back to Lolla this year.

[Thisismyname]

Who, dumbass?

[stelles75]

:D

[WretchedSkye2113]

HA!

but seriously,

-radius clause with dates even outside of IL
-repeat #1 headliner
-playing coachella and bonnaroo, nobody headlines all 3 US majors
-chicago date

[stelles75]

Repeating as a #1 is a non issue imo. Very few people would mind and just because it hasn't occurred yet isn't a good enough reason.

[Thisismyname]

But yes. He's new, so I'll explain further. (I really should keep this reasoning saved so I can copy & paste it when necessary).

Radiohead has stated before they do not play festivals on back to back albums. In the last decade or more, I have not seen a festival where this was proven untrue. So since they played Lolla on the In Rainbows tour, they will not on the King of Limbs tour.

+all that other stuff wretched said.

[stelles75]

Ah... they actually stated that as like a rule? Huh... interesting.

[carligula]

Nice work, guys! That was helpful!

Even Stelles learned something new!

[cosmo]

So they should play Lolla in support of their next album, I guess?

[Thisismyname]

Nice work, guys! That was helpful!

Even Stelles learned something new!

Proof that Stelles rarely reads my posts, considering I've pointed out that fact like 10 times since last Lolla and all the Radiohead talk started. ;)

[Thisismyname]

So they should play Lolla in support of their next album, I guess?

Yeppers. I mean at least then it would be "possible".

Or maybe if they do a weird leg next year that isn't "King of Limbs" technically. See: Bonnaroo 2006 performance.

[Krentistthedentist]

Feel free to call me stupid, but why is Radiohead not being talked about?

Based on the 6/17/11 My Morning Jacket thing, shouldn't Radiohead still be eligible?

It seems about as plausible as anything else being discussed (Except TBK and the bleep bloop headliner).

At least you know.

[Nile19]

So they should play Lolla in support of their next album, I guess?

If they do summer festivals next year, I think it is possible they headline next year
Also, Radiohead seems to be more or less moving away from the album format all together, so that rule seems a bit hazy for the future

edit: however they may end up not touring at all next year who knows, but if I had to guess I would say they do South America next year and some random fests in the summer

[SecondSet]

I've been told by an inside source that Radiohead is not playing.

[Krentistthedentist]

I was also told by common sense.

[SecondSet]

Don't think that dude hangs out with Yorke much.

[Irving_Red]

I know I'm like 3 pages behind, but if SHM isn't playing, doesn't that discredit Sigur Ros playing? Kind of a double-edged sword.

[stelles75]

Proof that Stelles rarely reads my posts, considering I've pointed out that fact like 10 times since last Lolla and all the Radiohead talk started. ;)

I do read your posts, except for ones involving Radiohead's touring rules apparently. :D

[snoopydoggy2002]

I know I'm like 3 pages behind, but if SHM isn't playing, doesn't that discredit Sigur Ros playing? Kind of a double-edged sword.

:( never thought i would be bummed about shm not playing

[Thisismyname]

Wait, wut?

*Oh yeah, nvm. Eh, I'm still holding onto hope.

[Thisismyname]

I've been told by an inside source that Radiohead is not playing.

Groundbreaking stuff.

[WretchedSkye2113]

yeah it's not evidence of Sigur Ros not playing.
it's just not evidence of Sigur Ros playing. yet.

[Nile19]

http://i.imgur.com/eortN.jpg?5438

[cosmo]

Lollapalloza.

[stelles75]

Lollapallolza.

[WretchedSkye2113]

oh, stelles. <3

[Nile19]

....derp.

[SecondSet]

Groundbreaking stuff.

I understand that I've upset you somehow, but I've been saying this for weeks, before the June leg was announced, and learned it 3-4 months ago from someone who also advised that they would be playing Coachella and Bonnaroo. FYI.

[WretchedSkye2113]

Jay-Z * Red Hot Chili Peppers * System of a Down
The Black Keys * Beck * Bjork

Shins -> TBK v SoaD <- AtDI
Common -> Jay-Z v Bjork <- Sigur Ros
Florence + the Machine -> RHCP v Beck <- Passion Pit

edit: would have SoaD billed over TBK because rare, but still have TBK playing the South. a la muse/coldplay last year.