It Starts Now: Volume Four - 2012 Lollapalooza Headliner Speculation

[Caseysitsallgood]

just... stop.

[WretchedSkye2113]

i agree. (broc)

and much to my own chagrin,
i don't think Soundgarden was a true #1 in 2010 in comparison to the venues/sales of Green Day or Lady Gaga.

[concertgoer]

Good points guys. Plus The Cure would have the #rare factor going for them.

[Broc1123]

I hope you're agreeing with me and helloninja that Bowie is totally possible.

[concertgoer]

So who was the true #1 headliner in 2009?
The Killers had a bigger crowd than DM, but I wasn't at Tool so I have no idea about the size of their crowd.

[WretchedSkye2113]

I hope you're agreeing with me and helloninja that Bowie is totally possible.

about Depeche Mode not being a true #1, smartass.

[WretchedSkye2113]

So who was the true #1 headliner in 2009?
The Killers had a bigger crowd than DM, but I wasn't at Tool so I have no idea about the size of their crowd.

was in the front for Tool so i can't say,
but ktd said the crowd was pretty massive.

Killers and Tool were definitely the biggest venue playing/sell out bands that year, fiscally.
i think having Tool as a #1 would've fallen in line with Pearl Jam, Radiohead, and Soundgarden.

but the DM thing was certainly a rarity.

[Broc1123]

I don't think a top 6 of The Cure, RHCP, Keys, JW, Avicii, and Florence is heavy enough compared to past lineups.

[jcp]

Has Pearl Jam been ruled out as a headliner/#1? Eddie vedder's last euro solo show is the 3rd of August. PJ could easily close out the fest on the 5th.

[WretchedSkye2113]

also not expensive enough, when you consider what they've put into headliners for the past 4 years. (irt broc again, jfc i can't time it right today)

[Driftwood]

How about David Bowie as the #1?

I know he's not touring anymore w/ his previous heart issues, but he still does one-off shows here and there. I'd say he's as likely as some of the other names being tossed around.

When was his last one-off show?

How is he "as likely"?

[nikkirkpatrick]

david bowie is never playing anywhere ever

[Driftwood]

Killers and Tool were definitely the biggest venue playing/sell out bands that year, fiscally.
i think having Tool as a #1 would've fallen in line with Pearl Jam, Radiohead, and Soundgarden.


Didn't Killer plays UIC and Tool Sears Cenre? Depeche Mode played Allstate and came back for a second Allstate date (only to be canceled due to illness).

[WretchedSkye2113]

i knew you'd actually have this sort of data on hand :p

[SecondSet]

I've tried to suggest in the past that the leftmost act on the top line of the poster is not necessarily the "#1." That in fact there may not be a #1 or any other #. But this is a lost cause.

[SecondSet]

These are the possible #1s imo - WTT, Pearl Jam, RHCP (maybe), Cure, and Snoop Dogg... with Dr. Dre

[Driftwood]

And we've suggested you are dead wrong because C3 and has used the left most act at it's fests to be the unopposed headliner every year they've had an unopposed headliner at both fests except this past year at ACL when Arcade Fire had more universal appeal I guess than Stevie Wonder for an indie music festival.

Edit: And yes I know they had The Eagles unopposed but they still move a shit ton of tickets. Does anyone know what Stevie's draw is for an individual show at this point?

[Driftwood]

I'm kinda leaning to Snoop & Dre as our #1. Maybe they replaced Sabbath so quickly with them because they knew C3 had already booked them?

[SecondSet]

I wouldn't bet on them, just noting the possibility

[sleeping]

I'm kinda leaning to Snoop & Dre as our #1. Maybe they replaced Sabbath so quickly with them because they knew C3 had already booked them?
Dr Dre is only doing Coachella because it's on his home turf. He won't do any shows outside California until Detox is out.

[nikkirkpatrick]

drifty, i think someone hinted that dre/snoop was a one-off.










maybe lolla booked bowie.

[WretchedSkye2113]

Dr Dre is only doing Coachella because it's on his home turf. He won't do any shows outside California until Detox is out.

i mean really, would Dre in Chicago move that many tickets?
compared to what he can move in SoCal, anyway?

[nikkirkpatrick]

i think people like dre.

[concertgoer]

i think people like dre.

He would move a ton of tickets, but I really think Coachella is a two-off for him.

[brynrich]

i mean really, would Dre in Chicago move that many tickets?
compared to what he can move in SoCal, anyway?

The big question... Would C3 do a hip-hop #1 two years in a row?

[WretchedSkye2113]

The big question... Would C3 do a hip-hop #1 two years in a row?

definitely the big question that came up whenever Jay/Ye/WTT has been mentioned as a #1.
and carl's point about ditching their roots.

[Audiobully]

i think people like dre.

I forgot about Dre.

[MookieDaddy]

Posted this in the Kot thread, but XRT confirmed they'll release the Lolla lineup Apr. 11th, just like that ad in the TOC said.

[askiba]

Awww yeah. Looks like Tuesday night will be a long one. Last time I was looking at the lineup, I was drenched in rain and coming home from Arcade Fire. So hopefully this time will be better.

As for the actual topic at hand: I swear I heard somewhere about the whole Snoop/Dre thing being a one-off too. But then again, didn't Snoop at Lolla draw a pretty decent sized crowd last time, even as a non-header? I wasn't there, but I hear things.

[WretchedSkye2113]

it was an alright crowd from what i saw (i was waiting for SSPU on the Adidas, so i could see everything from the back) but it wasn't ridiculous huge for that slot.

[WretchedSkye2113]

also, because fuck everything.

System of a Down * Jay-Z * Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Black Keys * Jack White * Avicii


or something. soad shouldn't be #1 but i was conforming to the "not another hip hop headliner" and "no repeat headliners"

[askiba]

As long as we get Jack White and/or Beck, I think I'll put my faith in this year's Grove closers and sub-headers. I hardly care about the headers now. Which is a little sad. :\

[concertgoer]

I think Jay-Z would be billed above System Of A Down.
Actually System would be a #4 I think

[WretchedSkye2113]

ok, like them or not,
System of a Down gets billed above The Black fucking Keys. :p


Jay-Z and RHCP, i'll agree.

[Audiobully]

I think their popularity has plummeted. They'd be a 5 or a 6 if they're lucky.

[KevBlu42]

It's funny how people who don't know hard rock/metal have no idea how big SOAD is. In terms of modern/alt metal they're right there with Tool and Slipknot. No one else is really even close.

[WretchedSkye2113]

and they're ridiculously exclusive for the moment as far as shows in the States go.

[Isyourbedmade?]

My total apologizes if this was already mentioned but Bjork wont be there

http://stockholmmusicandarts.com/artister/

[Driftwood]

But people are considering the crossover appeal of those bands at a fest like Lolla. Tool has far more credibility in that sense.

[concertgoer]

My total apologizes if this was already mentioned but Bjork wont be there

http://stockholmmusicandarts.com/artister/

Wow some actual news.
Well done

[that1guy]

also, because fuck everything.

System of a Down * Jay-Z * Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Black Keys * Jack White * Avicii


or something. soad shouldn't be #1 but i was conforming to the "not another hip hop headliner" and "no repeat headliners"

I wouldn't be too disappointed with that. I say system would be a 3 RHCP would be a 2 and Jay-Z or Jay-Ye or WTT or whatever would be 1.

[WretchedSkye2113]

My total apologizes if this was already mentioned but Bjork wont be there

http://stockholmmusicandarts.com/artister/

thank you for posting this and giving some actual intel. :)
fuck you for posting this and killing all hopes of seeing her. :(

(kidding about the fuck you. ya did good, kid)

[nikkirkpatrick]

...slipknot?

[WretchedSkye2113]

...slipknot?

headlining mayhem. chicago date.

[nikkirkpatrick]

what does that mean?

[WretchedSkye2113]

oh.
i thought you were tongue-in-cheek suggesting them at lolla.

nevermind. carry on with whatever.

[nikkirkpatrick]

i just want to know why they were being compared to soad and tool re drawing power. are mayhem fest headliners that big?

[concertgoer]

They headline arenas right?

[WretchedSkye2113]

Slipknot/Disturbed, Manson/Slayer, Korn/RobZombie, Disturbed/Godsmack, Slipknot/Slayer.


i would argue Tool (or a reuinted System of a Down show) has more pulling power than any of those, based on the shows i've seen.

[nikkirkpatrick]

that's what i thought

[thombjorke.]

Slipknot would definitely headline. Of course they would never play Lolla, though.

[johnd12751]

Just to bring something new to the table...

Watch the Throne * Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Black Keys
MGMT * Rammstein * Swedish House Mafia

[brynrich]

MFMT as a #4? Noooooooooooooooooo

[joelmanfu]

Just to bring something new to the table...

Watch the Throne * Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Black Keys
MGMT * Rammstein * Swedish House Mafia

nahh trick

[JML]

Just to bring something new to the table...

Watch the Throne * Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Black Keys
MGMT * Rammstein * Swedish House Mafia

Rammstein is at the Allstate Arena in May. Really really doubt they'd bring in 3 headliners who did arena Chicago shows just months before Lolla.

[johnd12751]

wasnt aware. this was more of a joke/ bringing something new

[MookieDaddy]

Also, we've said several times before SHM are basically out, one of the three guys is doing a dj thing in the Netherlands that weekend.

[emitts]

I wouldn't be too disappointed with that. I say system would be a 3 RHCP would be a 2 and Jay-Z or Jay-Ye or WTT or whatever would be 1.

I could actually see C3 putting TBK at #2 and doing something like:

Jay/Ye * The Black Keys * System of a Down
Jack White * EDM (SHM/Avicii/Justice) * Florence/Sigur Ros

TBK v. EDM
Jay/Ye v. Florence/Sigur Ros
SOAD v. Jack

[Miller]

Peter Gabriel?

[johnd12751]

i still dont think jw and tbk are gonna be both headliners, theyr to similar.

[johnd12751]

Peter Gabriel?

please

[Nile19]

New prediction with all the news of late:

no 1. The Cure or WTT or Sabbath
no 2. Kanye or Jay or RHCP or Beyonce
no 3. Black Keys
no 4. Jack White or The Killers or Blink or Blur
no 5. Beck or MGMT or Snoop or Wilco
no 6. Justice

[sleeping]

Peter Gabriel?
I seriously thought this was going to be his year to headline Bonnaroo after all the New Blood stuff he did in the past year-plus.

[RCarr11]

Agree.

[Miller]

I seriously thought this was going to be his year to headline Bonnaroo after all the New Blood stuff he did in the past year-plus.

I guess it makes sense. He's really the only potential number one I can imagine that hasn't been talked to death in this thread.

[johnd12751]

New prediction with all the news of late:

no 1. The Cure or WTT or Sabbath
no 2. Kanye or Jay or RHCP or Beyonce
no 3. Black Keys
no 4. Jack White or The Killers or Blink or Blur
no 5. Beck or MGMT or Snoop or Wilco
no 6. Justice

it would be fantastic if i could see the cure, blur, and justice

tbk vs justice
the cure vs beck
kanye vs blur

sorry for the shit grammar, im on my phone

[DubstepRepresentation]

Can someone explain to me why florence and the machine isn't a lock?
Is it just because some people think they don't deserve the #6 spot and not putting them in the headline predictions?

[xamnamxam]

Don't forget guys, the name of the game is three good headliners, and three decent ones with non-obnoxious fans.

[joelmanfu]

Can someone explain to me why florence and the machine isn't a lock?
Is it just because some people think they don't deserve the #6 spot and not putting them in the headline predictions?

She seems more like a high sub, #7 or #8 on the lineup

[Nile19]

She seems more like a high sub, #7 or #8 on the lineup

Agree

[johnd12751]

yup those deadmau5 fans are definitely non obnoxious

[joelmanfu]

i still dont think jw and tbk are gonna be both headliners, theyr to similar.

i think you are wrong

[Driftwood]

There is no way to tell whether someone is a 6 or a 7 without knowing the other acts.

[rosettastoned462]

No, but you can speculate based on past lineups

[Driftwood]

But arguing back on forth to death whether Florence is a 6 or 7 is pointless.

[MadBird11]

Everyone here knows that Florence is awful, right?

As long as that's known, she can do whatever she likes.

[Driftwood]

I will say I find it highly doubtful that Florence, Passion Pit, Justice (first two highly likely to play, third pretty likely as well) and Sigur Ros will all be there as non-headliners.

[rosettastoned462]

But arguing back on forth to death whether Florence is a 6 or 7 is pointless.




I will say I find it highly doubtful that Florence, Passion Pit, Justice (first two highly likely to play, third pretty likely as well) and Sigur Ros will all be there as non-headliners.

lol

[askiba]

The day the lineup comes out = sad trombones. (http://sadtrombone.com/) So many expectations... shattered.

[SecondSet]

1. WTT/Dre-Snoop/Pearl Jam(/Cure/RHCP)
2. RHCP(/Cure/TBK)
3. TBK(/SOAD)
4. Jack White(/Avicii)
5. Avicii(/Jack White/Sigur Ros/Flo/Beck/Wilco)
6. Sigur Ros/Flo(/Kaskade/Bassnectar)

[Willy]

The day the lineup comes out = sad trombones. (http://sadtrombone.com/) So many expectations... shattered.

I dunno about this. We had that one guy tell us that Lolla is going to knock our black socks off.

[mgignac]

While you're all on here....does anyone know who's in charge of the Lollapalooza FB page?

http://oi44.tinypic.com/99q4bn.jpg

[Willy]

While you're all on here....does anyone know who's in charge of the Lollapalooza FB page?

http://oi44.tinypic.com/99q4bn.jpg

Glad to hear they will be confined if this is true

[SecondSet]

They did say they were *considering* dropping Perry's.

[askiba]

I can't decide if I want the bros trapped in one place, or if I want slightly less concentrated bro all over the park. The first seems preferable.

[mgignac]

My girlfriend brought up a good point that if Perry's is gone, it'll reduce the amount of camping at a stage and therefore make it easier to get a decent spot for a show that you're running to with only 10 or 15 mins to spare....the EDM people will literally just follow it around the park wherever it goes, so fields will clear out a lot more between acts.

[sleeping]

My girlfriend brought up a good point that if Perry's is gone, it'll reduce the amount of camping at a stage and therefore make it easier to get a decent spot for a show that you're running to with only 10 or 15 mins to spare....the EDM people will literally just follow it around the park wherever it goes, so fields will clear out a lot more between acts.
But if the Embarrassing Douchebag Music is confined to one area of the park, those people wouldn't even have been crowding those stages in the first place.

[MookieDaddy]

Wouldn't that then create bad bottlenecks in the usual spots? I would think that would be worse.

IRT mgignac

[MadBird11]

But if the Embarrassing Douchebag Music is confined to one area of the park, those people wouldn't even have been crowding those stages in the first place.

Amazing this hasn't been brought up before.

[Driftwood]

lol

You can't comprehend the difference?

[mgignac]

Wouldn't that then create bad bottlenecks in the usual spots? I would think that would be worse.

IRT mgignac

Potentially, yeah. Didn't really think about that...though at the same time, if everyone's fighting one and you just take the best route that you can, everyone has the same chance of getting a spot, right?

[mgignac]

But if the Embarrassing Douchebag Music is confined to one area of the park, those people wouldn't even have been crowding those stages in the first place.

Right, but the Coldplay fans that literally sat against the rail on blankets throughout the entire day's worth of music would by NO MEANS do it for an EDM act. You might get campers that would sit through that shit at a Throne stage, or even a TBK stage potentially, but I honestly think it'd greatly reduce the amount of people who just stand around all day waiting for a show.

Not that there's anything wrong with it if you're going to get into the music. It just makes it easier for hoppers.

[snoopydoggy2002]

1. WTT/Dre-Snoop/Pearl Jam(/Cure/RHCP)
2. RHCP(/Cure/TBK)
3. TBK(/SOAD)
4. Jack White(/Avicii)
5. Avicii(/Jack White/Sigur Ros/Flo/Beck/Wilco)
6. Sigur Ros/Flo(/Kaskade/Bassnectar)

Sigur as Sub

[JML]

Right, but the Coldplay fans that literally sat against the rail on blankets throughout the entire day's worth of music would by NO MEANS do it for an EDM act. You might get campers that would sit through that shit at a Throne stage, or even a TBK stage potentially, but I honestly think it'd greatly reduce the amount of people who just stand around all day waiting for a show.

I really doubt that. If people are going to camp all day waiting for a headliner, it probably makes no difference to them who is playing before that headliner.

[Spoonman11084]

Also, we've said several times before SHM are basically out, one of the three guys is doing a dj thing in the Netherlands that weekend.

GOOD!

[KevBlu42]

Yeah, but at least the Coldplay fans got to see some other decent bands before the headliner. I spent most of that day on the South end, but I could see justifying that if you were dead set on getting a great spot for Coldplay.

[SecondSet]

Sigur as Sub

In terms of draw, probably. But draw isn't everything.

[dr. ace]

Everyone here knows that Florence is awful, right?

As long as that's known, she can do whatever she likes.

you're so hood.

[micdtrout]

Metallica * Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Cure *
The Black Keys * Beck * Justice * The Shins *

Although i think Chili Peppers are bigger than Metallica but no way does lolla put roos #2 in their top spot

[Driftwood]

Metallica are out.

This fest sucks so they won't book The Cure and Beck.

[rosettastoned462]

You can't comprehend the difference?

You dont realize you were continuing an argument that you said was pointless?

[mgignac]

Yeah, but at least the Coldplay fans got to see some other decent bands before the headliner. I spent most of that day on the South end, but I could see justifying that if you were dead set on getting a great spot for Coldplay.

The point wasn't that they waited all day to see Coldplay. I did the same thing and had rail spots for pretty much every show. It was the fact that YTG, Grace Potter, and The Kills put on fucking rock n' roll shows right in that crowds' faces, and those Coldplay campers were all sitting down not paying attention, denying actual fans of that music the best spot for the show. Then they complained when the crowd up front got a little rough for The Kills because everyone was dancing and bumping into them.

It was just disrespectful, in a way.

[mgignac]

Metallica are out.

This fest sucks so they won't book The Cure and Beck.

Checked through a couple pages earlier and couldn't find the justification for this; what is it exactly?

Not doubting at all, just curious.

[Driftwood]

You dont realize you were continuing an argument that you said was pointless?

What I was saying wasn't pointless as it wasn't looking at an act in a vacuum. :/

[Driftwood]

Checked through a couple pages earlier and couldn't find the justification for this; what is it exactly?

Not doubting at all, just curious.

They'd have to do Mexico -> Chicago -> Mexico on consecutive days.

[Driftwood]

The point wasn't that they waited all day to see Coldplay. I did the same thing and had rail spots for pretty much every show. It was the fact that YTG, Grace Potter, and The Kills put on fucking rock n' roll shows right in that crowds' faces, and those Coldplay campers were all sitting down not paying attention, denying actual fans of that music the best spot for the show. Then they complained when the crowd up front got a little rough for The Kills because everyone was dancing and bumping into them.

It was just disrespectful, in a way.

I'd see almost any EDM act over Grace Potter.

[Spoonman11084]

Metallica * Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Cure *
The Black Keys * Beck * Justice * The Shins *

The Cure would be a #2 in this case, if not a #1
RHCP would be #3
The Shins would sub for TBK

[KevBlu42]

i don't see why anyone would need to camp at a single stage all day to get a decent spot. For the headliners I really wanted to see, I would make my move as the crowd clears out after the 4:00 acts (so White Lies and The Cars) and have no problem getting great spots for both APC/Muse and Arctics/Foos.

[KevBlu42]

They'd have to do Mexico -> Chicago -> Mexico on consecutive days.

Isn't their last Mexican show on the 4th?

[mgignac]

Current prediction after lunch with Broc & just more thinking in general...

Black Sabbath + Jay-Z + The Cure
The Black Keys + Jack White + Aviici

SvN
The Shins > The Black Keys vs. Aviici < TV on the Radio (GROVE: M83)
At the Drive In > Black Sabbath vs. Jack White < Florence & the Machine (GROVE: Silversun Pickups)
Bloc Party > Jay-Z vs. The Cure < Passion Pit (GROVE: The Gaslight Anthem)

Still toying around with the subs.

[rosettastoned462]

I'd see almost any EDM act over Grace Potter.

I caught the last 10-15 minutes of her set last year. It was a lot of fun. I think its kinda weird she's touring with Toby Keith and Kenny Chesney

[Driftwood]

Oh maybe I'm wrong - too lazy to look it up. Someone please do.

[Driftwood]

I caught the last 10-15 minutes of her set last year. It was a lot of fun. I think its kinda weird she's touring with Toby Keith and Kenny Chesney

EDM can be fun.

[KevBlu42]

I know they don't book the festival this way, but I think SOAD makes more sense than Sabbath. Especially if ATDI is going to be their sub. SOAD and ATDI are bros, right?

[Driftwood]

Current prediction after lunch with Broc & just more thinking in general...

Black Sabbath + Jay-Z + The Cure
The Black Keys + Jack White + Aviici

SvN
The Shins > The Black Keys vs. Aviici < TV on the Radio (GROVE: M83)
At the Drive In > Black Sabbath vs. Jack White < Florence & the Machine (GROVE: Silversun Pickups)
Bloc Party > Jay-Z vs. The Cure < Passion Pit (GROVE: The Gaslight Anthem)

Still toying around with the subs.

I think Silversun Pickups would have to sub at this point. Already were a side stage closer and I think they sold out Aragon since.

[mgignac]

My biggest regret of '11 is seeing her over some of the others I could have seen in that slot, but I still won't deny that I had a lot of fun at that show.

[SecondSet]

I caught the last 10-15 minutes of her set last year. It was a lot of fun. I think its kinda weird she's touring with Toby Keith and Kenny Chesney

In the sense that she's rock, maybe. But she's definitely rootsy, almost on the jam band side. Maybe Kenny has a thing for her?

[mgignac]

I think Silversun Pickups would have to sub at this point. Already were a side stage closer and I think they sold out Aragon since.

I was thinking about them instead of ATDI but I couldn't think of another grover off the top of my head, honestly.

[Driftwood]

I know they don't book the festival this way, but I think SOAD makes more sense than Sabbath. Especially if ATDI is going to be their sub. SOAD and ATDI are bros, right?

I actually don't think ATDI will be there - do we have anything to go on other than Coachella. Gossip Wolf who was wrong about everything?

ACL seems more likely.

[KevBlu42]

Metallica's Mexican dates are 8/1, 8/2 and 8/4. If they play Lolla it will be on Sunday, not that I think it's likely.

[Spoonman11084]

i don't see why anyone would need to camp at a single stage all day to get a decent spot. For the headliners I really wanted to see, I would make my move as the crowd clears out after the 4:00 acts (so White Lies and The Cars) and have no problem getting great spots for both APC/Muse and Arctics/Foos.

I agree with this. In '10 I got to the South Stage as X Japan ended. I was about to be right on the fence for all of Wolfmother and Soundgarden. And I didnt need to push or be rude, it was an easy walk

[mgignac]

Also I think we're way over-hoping on this Throne thing. There is 100% zero indication that they'd be around whatsoever, they're just a huge wishlist item at this point. It does seem Lollaesque to do, but Jay-Z doing a set at SXSW and the possibility of Kanye even joining him for a NiP/Otis encore set make it a slightly more satisfying prediction even if its not THAT much more realistic.

[KevBlu42]

I actually don't think ATDI will be there - do we have anything to go on other than Coachella. Gossip Wolf who was wrong about everything?

ACL seems more likely.

I just think they're likely based on the fact that they admit their reunion is all about the $$$. Lolla would be one of their biggest paydays.

[Driftwood]

They aren't at Roo. They aren't at Sasquatch.

They are only playing one announced festival so far right?

Also really hope Metallica makes it for Sunday only to prove Buzz wrong.

[Spoonman11084]

I dont have any actual proof. But i follow Cedric Bixler on twitter. He is pretty good at responding to his fans, but has never responded to a fan asking about him being at Lolla. Could be a sign....could mean nothing

[WretchedSkye2113]

I actually don't think ATDI will be there - do we have anything to go on other than Coachella. Gossip Wolf who was wrong about everything?

ACL seems more likely.

April 15 - Indio,CA - Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival
April 22 - Indio,CA - Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival
July 12 - FIB Benicassim in Costa Azahar, Spain
July 29 - Fuji Rock Festival Niigata, Japan
Aug 25 - Reading Festival - Reading, UK
Aug 26 Leeds Festival - Leeds, UK

that's all they have, and to my understanding, there are plans to get TMV and Sparta back up and touring during and after that.

[Driftwood]

I dont have any actual proof. But i follow Cedric Bixler on twitter. He is pretty good at responding to his fans, but has never responded to a fan asking about him being at Lolla. Could be a sign....could mean nothing

Did he respond to say they weren't playing Roo when someone asked?

[mgignac]

They aren't at Roo. They aren't at Sasquatch.

They are only playing one announced festival so far right?

Also really hope Metallica makes it for Sunday only to prove Buzz wrong.

I would actually switch my schedule to look like this, based on Metallica's dates and the possibilities of BS dropping (Lolla has experience with cancer shenanigans)

FRIDAY: Keys vs. Jay-Z
SAT: Jack White vs. Aviici
SUN: Black Sabbath (Metallica alt.) vs. The Cure

[Spoonman11084]

They aren't at Roo. They aren't at Sasquatch.

They are only playing one announced festival so far right?

Also really hope Metallica makes it for Sunday only to prove Buzz wrong.

ATDI?? They are playing Fuji (C3) the weekend before Lolla, and another festival in Europe during the last weekend of August.

[Spoonman11084]

Did he respond to say they weren't playing Roo when someone asked?

I actually never saw anyone ask about a Bonnaroo appearance. Some people asked him about what stage ATDI would be on at Coachella, and he simply said that they weren't sure yet.

[mgignac]

Does C3 work deals with artists where they pay a flat rate and get them for like, 3 fests, ever? Obviously it's not like they would own the band for every fest date they had and then just plop them wherever, but that'd be the only thing that could make a band more likely just because they're at another C3 fest.

Just because they like them for one fest means nothing in relation to another fest. C3 is dumb but they aren't dumb enough to book the same fest in however many different locations.

[Spoonman11084]

Does C3 work deals with artists where they pay a flat rate and get them for like, 3 fests, ever? Obviously it's not like they would own the band for every fest date they had and then just plop them wherever, but that'd be the only thing that could make a band more likely just because they're at another C3 fest.

Just because they like them for one fest means nothing in relation to another fest. C3 is dumb but they aren't dumb enough to book the same fest in however many different locations.

But i also think they are smart enough to book a band like ATDI for only their second American appearance.
I also think there is something to be said that ATDI didnt play SXSW, being from El Paso and all.

[rosettastoned462]

Black Sabbath / Ozzy & Friends * The Killers * The Black Keys
System of the Down * Jack White * Chemical Brothers

Perry's:
Avicii, Justice, Big Boi

Friday: TBK vs SoaD vs Avicii
Saturday: Killers vs Jack White vs Justice
Sunday: Ozzy vs CB vs Big Boi

[Driftwood]

ATDI?? They are playing Fuji (C3) the weekend before Lolla, and another festival in Europe during the last weekend of August.

Sorry I meant to add US festival.

[mgignac]

Killers would be the #1 ultimate surprise for me on any possible Lolla lineup this year. I would go absolutely nuts to read that on the 9th or 11th or whatever date we've decided the lineup comes out now.

Everything else has been speculated enough that I'll be greatly pleased if any of its true, but Killers...I'd gasp.

[Driftwood]

I would actually switch my schedule to look like this, based on Metallica's dates and the possibilities of BS dropping (Lolla has experience with cancer shenanigans)

FRIDAY: Keys vs. Jay-Z
SAT: Jack White vs. Aviici
SUN: Black Sabbath (Metallica alt.) vs. The Cure

You've got five arena acts. All 3 on the smaller stage play arenas.

[Spoonman11084]

Black Sabbath / Ozzy & Friends * The Killers * The Black Keys
System of the Down * Jack White * Chemical Brothers

Perry's:
Avicii, Justice, Big Boi

Friday: TBK vs SoaD vs Avicii
Saturday: Killers vs Jack White vs Justice
Sunday: Ozzy vs CB vs Big Boi

The Justice/Jack White conflict would piss me off

[mgignac]

Black Sabbath / Ozzy & Friends * The Killers * The Black Keys
System of the Down * Jack White * Chemical Brothers

Perry's:
Avicii, Justice, Big Boi

Friday: TBK vs SoaD vs Avicii
Saturday: Killers vs Jack White vs Justice
Sunday: Ozzy vs CB vs Big Boi

Fuck you for making me skip JW but otherwise I'd do it. Wouldn't even be in my top 10 favorable lineup announcements, but I wouldn't be pissed.

[KevBlu42]

C3 would never book Ozzy and Friends. It would make them look like a joke. It's Sabbath or bust, and I'm highly doubtful of them booking Sabbath with all the drama surrounding their "reunion."

[carligula]

Just because they like them for one fest means nothing in relation to another fest. C3 is dumb but they aren't dumb enough to book the same fest in however many different locations.

Have you even looked at an ACL lineup lately?

[mgignac]

You've got five arena acts. All 3 on the smaller stage play arenas.

Coldplay, MMJ, Eminem, and Muse all play to arena sized crowds.

Add the fact that Jay-Z rarely tours and The Cure are fest junkies and their last American "tour" appearances have been theater shows, I don't think its really that unrealistic.

Unless you mean $$.

[Spoonman11084]

On an unrelated note, but still thread related note. Im pretty pumped the bulk of the line-up hasnt leaked yet. The anticipation factor that Coachella and Roo have around their line-up announcement has always been something i've admired, being a lolla-goer.

[KevBlu42]

Coldplay, MMJ, Eminem, and Muse all play to arena sized crowds.

Add the fact that Jay-Z rarely tours and The Cure are fest junkies and their last American "tour" appearances have been theater shows, I don't think its really that unrealistic.

Unless you mean $$.

I feel like there was another band who headlined last year that also sells out a lot of arenas. Can't think of who it might be though...

[mgignac]

Have you even looked at an ACL lineup lately?

I'm talking about specifically ATDI...obviously they book many of the same acts, but someone #rare like that might get exclusivity.

[Spoonman11084]

C3 would never book Ozzy and Friends. It would make them look like a joke. It's Sabbath or bust, and I'm highly doubtful of them booking Sabbath with all the drama surrounding their "reunion."

agreed

[mgignac]

I feel like there was another band who headlined last year that also sells out a lot of arenas. Can't think of who it might be though...

Christ how the fuck did I forget about them

[mgignac]

If they've booked Sabbath, they've already booked Sabbath. They won't announce it until the last possible minute because if Sabbath has to cancel, they do not want to announce that someone that huge isn't playing their festival anymore.

This isn't like "Oh, Sabbath might not get booked 'cause of all the drama!" If Sabbath tells C3 they have to drop out before April 9th, the lineup gets released differently and you're none the wiser. The drama about the reunion is actually conversely being caused because of no announcement, which as stated, could be because they're already booked and C3 wants the breathing space. Also probably contracted that they're not allowed to announce it, which coincides with what Sharon said in the article- have to announce it together.

[Spoonman11084]

I'm talking about specifically ATDI...obviously they book many of the same acts, but someone #rare like that might get exclusivity.

Unless Coachella gave ATDI headliner type money, I doubt they would agree to ONLY play Coachella during the american festival season. Seems like they would lose out on a lot of money.

And really, what does Coachella care if they play more shows after theirs. As long as they get the first of the reunion.

[KevBlu42]

Metallica * Jay-Z * The Black Keys
System of a Down * Jack White * Avicii

TBK vs. SOAD
Jay vs. Jack
Metallica vs. Avicii

Too big? Too much rawk?

[johnd12751]

Fuck hearing that the SSPU's would be a sub breaks my heart. I think seeing them at the grove stage at night would be a beautiful show in that kind of atmosphere with their kind of music. If they played the grove the only bands that could get me not to see that show would be The Cure and Blur.

[johnd12751]

Metallica * Jay-Z * The Black Keys
System of a Down * Jack White * Avicii

TBK vs. SOAD
Jay vs. Jack
Metallica vs. Avicii

Too big? Too much rawk?

Metallica's not happening

[mgignac]

I don't know why- just a gut feeling- but I truly believe Metallica is on hold for Sunday in case cancer tells Iommi not to play Lollapalooza.

[johnd12751]

I think they would just switch it to Ozzy and Friends then, they wouldn't bring in a completely different band.

[mgignac]

Alright let's not have the exact same conversation that literally took place a page ago, but I'll just reiterate that Lolla is not going to go down to something as embarassing as Ozzy and Friends if BS drops out. That's nothing but a god-honest tell that they lost Sabbath. Metallica is a better cover/act.

[SecondSet]

I don't know why- just a gut feeling- but I truly believe Metallica is on hold for Sunday in case cancer tells Iommi not to play Lollapalooza.

You believe it because someone speculated about it, and then it started to get talked about as if it were a "rumor." Never mind that the speculation is based on the completely illogical notion that BS would play Lolla in the first place.

[KevBlu42]

I still don't see why Metallica couldn't play on Sunday. I think they know they've ignored the midwest for the past few years and are due to play.

[rosettastoned462]

Mexico doesnt have airplanes

[KevBlu42]

Oh, and no one wants to see Ozzy and Friends. C3 and Lolla take themselves too seriously to throw that shit out there.

[KevBlu42]

Mexico doesnt have airplanes

Metallica ride horses anyway.

[johnd12751]

Alright let's not have the exact same conversation that literally took place a page ago, but I'll just reiterate that Lolla is not going to go down to something as embarassing as Ozzy and Friends if BS drops out. That's nothing but a god-honest tell that they lost Sabbath. Metallica is a better cover/act.

Someone's forgetting who the #3 was in 2010

[sleeping]

Someone's forgetting who the #3 was in 2010
One of the most fun Lollapalooza sets ever?

[rosettastoned462]

gtfo

@john

[Driftwood]

Coldplay, MMJ, Eminem, and Muse all play to arena sized crowds.

Add the fact that Jay-Z rarely tours and The Cure are fest junkies and their last American "tour" appearances have been theater shows, I don't think its really that unrealistic.

Unless you mean $$.

Yeah I mean $$. All of those acts would probably cost more than MMJ.

[mgignac]

Someone's forgetting who the #3 was in 2010

That makes zero sense IRT the argument.

[jcp]

Pearl Jam * Rihanna * The Prodigy
Neil Young * Alice in Chains * Jack Johnson

Neil Young vs Prodigy
Alice in Chains vs Jack Johnson
Pearl Jam vs Rihanna

Just throwing out some new names here as there should be some unpected/exclusives in the top 6, and all the same names are being recycled..

[Driftwood]

Killers would be the #1 ultimate surprise for me on any possible Lolla lineup this year. I would go absolutely nuts to read that on the 9th or 11th or whatever date we've decided the lineup comes out now.

Everything else has been speculated enough that I'll be greatly pleased if any of its true, but Killers...I'd gasp.

Yeah no thanks - we don't need a 3 peat in 7 years time (8 festivals total).

[KevBlu42]

Decent effort, but they wouldn't have the #1 and #2 oppose eachother. Try Rihanna vs. AIC or something.

[mgignac]

Yeah no thanks - we don't need a 3 peat in 7 years time (8 festivals total).

Well yeah I doubt they'd actually do it, I've just never seen them.

[Broc1123]

Oh god, these last 3 pages suck.

[SecondSet]

Bassnectar just added a second show at Red Rocks. Colorado and all, but still.

[joelmanfu]

I think they would just switch it to Ozzy and Friends then, they wouldn't bring in a completely different band.

no.

[Driftwood]

I also think there is something to be said that ATDI didnt play SXSW, being from El Paso and all.

That Coachella paid to get them first? Or ...?

[nikkirkpatrick]

colorado

[carligula]

Never mind that the speculation is based on the completely illogical notion that BS would play Lolla in the first place.

Where in North America do you think Black Sabbath will be playing in August, then?

[SecondSet]

Where in North America do you think Black Sabbath will be playing in August, then?

Not at an alternative-rock/thirty-something and below festival? Quite possibly their own event? Produced by Goldenvoice/AEG?

[jcp]

Where in North America do you think Black Sabbath will be playing in August, then?

According to a few commenters on COS (I know, I know), somewhere in Texas. My google search turned up empty.

[ferro_man]

My total apologizes if this was already mentioned but Bjork wont be there

http://stockholmmusicandarts.com/artister/

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

bjork and iamamiwhoami?

they could both play lolla on sunday right?
or be at pitchfork?

:(:(:(:(

[MadBird11]

Oh well.

Also, how long has B96 been affiliated with Lolla?

[ferro_man]

Oh well.

Also, how long has B96 been affiliated with Lolla?

if this isn't a joke, then probably after q101 stopped being a broadcasted radio station

[MadBird11]

Someone I know made a comment that she was trying to win Lolla passes through B96.

"I really hope they bring Chris Brown there."

[carligula]

Well, they DID book Lady GaGa...

[that1guy]

I'm making make a list of realistic bands that have been predicted that we can agree are COMPLETELY out of the running so people stop predicting them.
Add what you know:

Bjork
Drake
Radiohead
Daft Punk
Jane's Addiction
Adele
David Bowie
The Smiths
blink-182
Tiësto

[askiba]

The Smiths.

[ten15SaturdayNight]

Add what you know:



I assume you will add nothing?

[that1guy]

I assume you will add nothing?

I'll add what I know/will find out. Why the aggression?
And I added what you can see below (besides the Smiths)

[Caseysitsallgood]

Add what you know

99% of all acts on the face of the earth.

[ten15SaturdayNight]

I'll add what I know/will find out. Why the aggression?

Your post was like, "Hey kids! Let's put on a show!".

Also, you are gonna get answers like The Monkees, The Beatles, etc.

[ten15SaturdayNight]

99% of all acts on the face of the earth.

Exactly.

[that1guy]

Your post was like, "Hey kids! Let's put on a show!".

Also, you are gonna get answers like The Monkees, The Beatles, etc.

I'm sorry that my tone upset you. I'll make sure next time.
Let me edit my post, thank you for the insight.

[carligula]

Metallica can still play. Mexico to Chicago isn't impossible, just highly unlikely.

[ferro_man]

Someone I know made a comment that she was trying to win Lolla passes through B96.

"I really hope they bring Chris Brown there."

something called "Walgreens swag" is giving away passes

[that1guy]

Metallica can still play. Mexico to Chicago isn't impossible, just highly unlikely.

Thanks for the insight, I'll take them off the list.

[Caseysitsallgood]

Daft Punk
Adele
David Bowie
blink-182

why?

[muthastone]

What will be Bowie's last show?

Did we already see it?

[Mishal]

Hi guys. I know we don't have a lot of information right now, but is it super unlikely that Danzig will be at Lolla?

[brynrich]

He definitely won't be there as a headliner.

Otherwise, it's kind of hard to say. He did just bring the Danzig Legacy show to Chicago in the fall, and it runs longer than Lolla's typical set times, so I wouldn't expect him to be there. That being said, the fact that he's playing Bonnaroo and Lolla is doing some reorganizing makes me think it could be a possibility.

[arbee]

What will be Bowie's last show?

Did we already see it?

June 25/2004

[MadBird11]

June 25/2004

For some reason I was under the impression he played shows in Miami in 09?

[arbee]

nope

[that1guy]

For some reason I was under the impression he played shows in Miami in 09?

October 31, 09
As has long been rumored, Phish will return to the American Airlines Arena in Miami for their traditional four-show New Year’s run. In typical prankster fashion the band put an ad for a four-show David Bowie/UB40 co-bill at the arena in Miami on those dates in their Playbill.

[MadBird11]

October 31, 09
As has long been rumored, Phish will return to the American Airlines Arena in Miami for their traditional four-show New Year’s run. In typical prankster fashion the band put an ad for a four-show David Bowie/UB40 co-bill at the arena in Miami on those dates in their Playbill.

Ahh, that's what it was.

[wiscostraightup]

I'm making make a list of realistic bands that have been predicted that we can agree are COMPLETELY out of the running so people stop predicting them.
Add what you know:

Bjork
Drake
Radiohead
Daft Punk
Jane's Addiction
Adele
David Bowie
The Smiths
blink-182
Tiësto

thanks man. appreciate it! makin a difference.

[that1guy]

thanks man. appreciate it! makin a difference.

I sense sarcasm.

[wiscostraightup]

I sense sarcasm.

You da' best that1guy.
Seriously though, worst thread.

[nazor1]

Any band I want to see except The Cure: Out of the running....... Yea this is a very negative thread. I just want this damn lineup already.

[carligula]

If it makes you feel better, it's highly unlikely that the Cure would come over to the US for less than a month in the midst of overseas festivals.

[Nile19]

I think Cure is just as likely as any other speculative headliner at this point, they have a big enough gap July 20 to Aug 18, and they seem to be doing almost all festivals this summer. Frankly, I could see them doing Lolla and Outside Lands pretty easily

[carligula]

I take it back. Just last year, they played those 3 shows in LA and then NYC. They have no problem coming over here for a short stint. I was under the impression that they only come over for extensive tours every few years or so.

[psychosomatica]

http://www.blogaholics.ca/wp/uploads/slurpee.jpg

[johnd12751]

Worst case scenario

SOAD * Beyonce * RHCP
The Black Keys * Avicii * Florence

Best Case:

WTT * Black Sabbath * The Cure
Beck * Blur * Justice

Realistic Compromise:

Watch the Throne * Black Sabbath * Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Black Keys * Beck * Florence + The Machine

[Irving_Red]

I find your lack of untz disturbing.

[johnd12751]

I guess you could put florence as a sub and make avicii a headliner instead

[MadBird11]

I find your lack of untz disturbing.

No one with taste does.

[johnd12751]

Agreed Madbird, Agreed.

[MadBird11]

If it's on wikipedia, it must be official.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lollapalooza_lineups_by_year#Lollapalooza_ 2

[johnd12751]

Lol i would be ecstatic about that. Looks good to me ^_^

[IAmScareMongering]

Beyonce is far from a worse case scenario.

[johnd12751]

Check it out now :D

the wikipedia page that is

[MadBird11]

Beyonce is far from a worse case scenario.

Not according to the facebook page.

[johnd12751]

Right again madbird

[Irving_Red]

Let me clarify: the "compromise" that johnd put up has no EDM headliner, which at this point is pretty much a 100% lock. I meant that he overlooked that, not that I prefer it.

[johnd12751]

According to the wikipedia page, there is no edm headliner ^_^

[Driftwood]

Worst case scenario

SOAD * Beyonce * RHCP
The Black Keys * Avicii * Florence

Best Case:

WTT * Black Sabbath * The Cure
Beck * Blur * Justice

Realistic Compromise:

Watch the Throne * Black Sabbath * Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Black Keys * Beck * Florence + The Machine

Well I think we are getting these four. Draw your own conclusion.

[IAmScareMongering]

I don't think Lolla will have RHCP, because a) they wouldn't want to have 2 of their top 4 acts playing arena shows so close to the fest, and b)they would probably have to downgrade them from the top billed spot, which could cause some issues.

[Driftwood]

Why would that cause issues? They are playing second fiddle at Roo. The fest (Lolla) has also gotten bigger since 2006.

[IAmScareMongering]

Why would that cause issues? They are playing second fiddle at Roo. The fest (Lolla) has also gotten bigger since 2006.

Well they've never played Bonnaroo before, so there's no comparison to make. While Lolla has gotten bigger, losing the top spot might imply that RHCP have stayed the same or dropped in popularity.

[Driftwood]

I think it's pretty clear that they have stayed the same in popularity.

[IAmScareMongering]

I'd argue that they have dropped a bit, but regardless I think it's a potential issue about bringing them back.

[johnd12751]

what, do we not want anthony kiedes to cry?

[concertgoer]

No one with taste does.


Agreed Madbird, Agreed.

Madbird you have johnd on your side so you must be right~

[MadBird11]

Madbird you have johnd on your side so you must be right~

Every bit of support helps.

[MikeAugust]

I think bands care less about billing at fests than the fans do

[Nile19]

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsK/40949-15032.gif

[MadBird11]

I think bands care less about billing at fests than the fans do

The money says otherwise.

[johnd12751]

i dont think billing order affects price, im sure a 3 has been paid more than 2 in the past. can anyone say 2010?

[Driftwood]

I'd argue that they have dropped a bit, but regardless I think it's a potential issue about bringing them back.

Ween came back to sub. It's a paycheck. Wouldn't surprise me if Lolla paid them as much / even more for their 2 spot now than their 1 spot then.

[Irving_Red]

I mean, I'm sure it depends on the band...

[concertgoer]

Ween came back to sub. It's a paycheck. Wouldn't surprise me if Lolla paid them as much / even more for their 2 spot now than their 1 spot then.

I agree. I think bands obviously care more about the paycheck than billing order. Look at Coldplay they were a #1 at ACL in 05 and they came back as a #4 last year and I bet that they got a bigger paycheck last year.

[Nile19]

idk if RHCP will be there or not but I bet billing order plays no part in it

[concertgoer]

So basically the only reason we think that RHCP are going to be there is because a fairly new boarder said that he knew someone who knows someone in the band who said they were playing?

God we need a leak

[WretchedSkye2113]

soon, my love. soon.

[Driftwood]

So basically the only reason we think that RHCP are going to be there is because a fairly new boarder said that he knew someone who knows someone in the band who said they were playing?

God we need a leak

Eh if they don't come off arrogant / pompous / all knowing - more often than not it seems to pan out.

The tour schedule also has then coming back to America then.

[concertgoer]

Eh if they don't come off arrogant / pompous / all knowing - more often than not it seems to pan out.

The tour schedule also has then coming back to America then.

Yeah I didn't mean to imply that he was coming off as arrogant. I just don't see two of the top three headliners being acts that played shows in Chicago less than five months before Lolla.

[ferro_man]

Eh if they don't come off arrogant / pompous / all knowing - more often than not it seems to pan out.

The tour schedule also has then coming back to America then.

exactly like the coldplay rumor last year

[mgignac]

Yeah I didn't mean to imply that he was coming off as arrogant. I just don't see two of the top three headliners being acts that played shows in Chicago less than five months before Lolla.

Maybe TBK wouldn't be top three, though.

Black Sabbath/Metallica + Red Hot Chili Peppers + The Cure
The Black Keys + Aviici + Beck

[snoopydoggy2002]

I can't see Justice playing and not headlining after watching some of their Ultra set or at least just playing at night. But they might be too big to close a Perrys stage

[Broc1123]

Good point. I just thought that then saw your post.

With how small our 5-6 bands look to be, I can see us having another large top 4.

Black Sabbath . Red Hot Chili Peppers . Jay-Z
The Black Keys . Jack White . Avicii

[mgignac]

You really think Jay-Z gets billed under RHCP?

Not being a dick, btw, just surprised me- I really wouldn't know

[Driftwood]

Good point. I just thought that then saw your post.

With how small our 5-6 bands look to be, I can see us having another large top 4.

Black Sabbath . Red Hot Chili Peppers . Jay-Z
The Black Keys . Jack White . Avicii

Jack White and Avicii are small for a 5-6?

[concertgoer]

Avicii would be a lot of fun at Lolla :)