It Starts Now: Volume Four - 2012 Lollapalooza Headliner Speculation

[nikkirkpatrick]

I'll start

The Cure (LOL) - REM (lulz) - Kanye (Ha)
Justice - Modest Mouse - Black Keys

The Cure vs Black Keys
REM vs Justice
Kanye vs Modest Mouse

[Driftwood]

Meh. It's Coachella speculation time.

[nikkirkpatrick]

Meh. It's Coachella speculation time.

Tool
Daft Punk
Radiohead

/chella

[Driftwood]

I got Beastie Boys instead of Tool ... but yeah.

[nikkirkpatrick]

Daft Punk/Phoenix on the top line like Kanye/Strokes from this year?

[Mike53421]

Meh. It's Coachella speculation time.
Eminem
Foo Fighters
Soundgarden

[Nile19]

Kayne* Beyonce* Black Keys

[Nile19]

also, I predict this thread will turn into another Cure thread (no more Coldplay debate though)

[nikkirkpatrick]

also, I predict this thread will turn into another Cure thread (no more Coldplay debate though)

worse things have happened (to robert smith)

[Nile19]

worse things have happened (to robert smith)

lol nice finish

[johnd12751]

strokes again? fingers crossed

[Audiobully]

Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Cure * Beastie Boys
Jane's Addiction * Beck * Justice

[Nile19]

Red Hot Chili Peppers * The Cure * Beastie Boys
Jane's Addiction * Beck * Justice
I like this Justice talk
This should continue. Here here!

[sleeping]

Pop Rapper * Bland, Inoffensive Pop Band * 90s Alt-Rock Reunion
Teen Craze Dance Act * Jam Band * Jane's Addiction * Some DJ

[nikolajz1]

Red Hot Chili Peppers- Kanye West- Beck
Vampire Weekend- The Black Keys- Passion Pit

RHCP vs. Vampire Weekend
Beck vs. Passion Pit
Kanye West vs. The Black Keys


MEH

[NUzsilva2014]

Red Hot Chili Peppers- Kanye West- Beck
Vampire Weekend- The Black Keys- Passion Pit

RHCP vs. Vampire Weekend
Beck vs. Passion Pit
Kanye West vs. The Black Keys



Passion Pit is nowhere close to being a headliner at Lolla. Fit in Beastie Boys somewhere, take out Black Keys, put in Daft Punk.

[nikolajz1]

Passion Pit is nowhere close to being a headliner at Lolla. Fit in Beastie Boys somewhere, take out Black Keys, put in Daft Punk.

They are a lot closer than you think. And mark my words....Daft Punk will never play Lolla again.

[NUzsilva2014]

They are a lot closer than you think. And mark my words....Daft Punk will never play Lolla again.

Passion Pit has released one album... maybe a second by next year. Not worthy yet. (Yes, I know, Gaga only had one (and a half) album when she played)

[Thisismyname]

It has nothing to do with worthiness, or whatever.

Passion Pit is simply not that popular.

/discussion.

[Driftwood]

Yeah they really are. They'll headline on album 2.

[symbionese]

Yeah they really are. They'll headline on album 2.

no.

[Driftwood]

They could sub now without any new material.

[Driftwood]

Sold out Congress - came back to play a second Congress show a week or two later as a result. Believe that sold out as well. That is a draw on par with Deadmau5 (and that is before the hype machine for album 2 starts).

[symbionese]

spew all you want. not going to happen.

[nikolajz1]

I'd say Passion Pit is around the same size as Phoenix. They will be bigger with their next album.

[Thisismyname]

Disagree so much, but ok.

[NUzsilva2014]

I'd say Passion Pit is around the same size as Phoenix. They will be bigger with their next album.

Definitely not on the same level as Phoenix.

[hbankhead]

Definitely not on the same level as Phoenix.

Agreed.

[nikkirkpatrick]

let passion pit put out their shitty follow up, and this quandry will answer itself

[Nile19]

Definitely not on the same level as Phoenix.

Agree. Passion Pit could be there, but I would be utterly in shock if they came even close to headlining. Their next album would have to be the album of the decade for that to happen (and would have to come out soon enough to propel them to the next level, remeber Wolfgang came out in 2009)
Lets not forget either when comparing PP to Phoneix that Phoneix has been around for the last decade, and PP has one album.

In conclusion, PP- could easily be there, not going to headline.

[oasisfan]

Rage Against The Machine * Jay-Z * Daft Punk
The Killers * Death Cab For Cutie *Jane's Addiction

North v.s. South

The Killers v.s. Jay-Z
Jane's Addiction v.s. Daft Punk
Death Cab For Cutie v.s. Rage Against The Machine

maybe more of a wishlist but i'd bet at least 3 maybe 4 of them will be there next year

[PepeSilvia]

I highly doubt Lolla would have 5 of the 6 headliners be repeats.

[rockrdudetim]

Give me Beck and the rest of the lineup can be Lady GaGa impersonators.

[Driftwood]

Agree. Passion Pit could be there, but I would be utterly in shock if they came even close to headlining. Their next album would have to be the album of the decade for that to happen (and would have to come out soon enough to propel them to the next level, remeber Wolfgang came out in 2009)
Lets not forget either when comparing PP to Phoneix that Phoneix has been around for the last decade, and PP has one album.

In conclusion, PP- could easily be there, not going to headline.

I don't know why Phoenix were brought up but Fleet Foxes are a #6 overall at ACL and they were not playing venues as big as Passion Pit in support of their debut album. Mumford and Sons were #3 on their day at Coachella still in support of their first album. Having a bunch of albums isn't important anymore to having a high billing.

[sleeping]

Jane's will have their new album out by Lolla '12, so I'd be shocked if they weren't one of the top six. Also, Perry has really embraced the dance music culture, maybe even more than alternative rock at this point. If deadmau5 puts on a successful set in August, look for more EDM artists at the top of the Lolla '12 bill.


Smashing Pumpkins * Jay-Z * Björk
Jane's Addiction * TV on the Radio * Tiësto

[Driftwood]

All your analysis and then you randomly toss Smashing Pumpkins in at 1? Yeah right.

[nikkirkpatrick]

smashing pumpkins would be a sub at this point

[sleeping]

Yeah, I don't know what I was going for... 2012 is supposed to be a huge year for SP, with the reissues coming out and the "new" new album, and I really want to believe it's more than just hype.

[joelmanfu]

RHCP - blink-182 - The Black Keys
Beastie Boys - Death Cab For Cutie - Justice

RHCP vs. Justice
blink-182 vs. Death Cab
Beastie Boys vs. The Black Keys

[fiveiron83321]

smashing pumpkins would be a sub at this point

i don't think they'd be a sub quite at this moment..definitely not #1 though

4-6 spot is fine for them

[nikkirkpatrick]

RHCP - blink-182 - The Black Keys
Beastie Boys - Death Cab For Cutie - Justice

RHCP vs. Justice
blink-182 vs. Death Cab
Beastie Boys vs. The Black Keys

this fest sucks

[sleeping]

this fest sucks
Yeah, but

Eminem - Foo Fighters - Coldplay
Muse - My Morning Jacket - deadmau5 - A Perfect Circle
this fest sucks too.

[RebelliousLies]

Sam Adams to return in 2012 as the #1 headliner!

[concertgoer]

Yeah, but

this fest sucks too.
2011>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that fake lineup for 2012

[nikkirkpatrick]

fo shizzle

[NUzsilva2014]

I don't know why Phoenix were brought up but Fleet Foxes are a #6 overall at ACL and they were not playing venues as big as Passion Pit in support of their debut album. Mumford and Sons were #3 on their day at Coachella still in support of their first album. Having a bunch of albums isn't important anymore to having a high billing.

Because the Mumford & Sons and Fleet Foxes debuts were great and they both just garnered a lot of hype, fans, and publicity recently for releasing them (and performing at the Grammys, in M&S case). Passion Pit's debut was average. No business headlining a festival.

But yes, "let passion pit put out their shitty follow up, and this quandry will answer itself"

/discussion

[concertgoer]

LOL at calling Mumford and Sons debut album great

[Thisismyname]

And like I said earlier, quality has nothing to do with this conversation. It's a question of popularity.

Passion Pit may have played Congress, but that doesn't make them a headliner, IMO.

[Driftwood]

Two nights at congress two weeks apart?

[Driftwood]

That isn't far from back to back like Deadmau5 and we don't even know how much bigger they will get with album 2.

[Thisismyname]

Was it really two weeks? Hm.

Well they played a 1,000 person venue here, not that Orlando is the best gauge for anything.

Still say Passion Pit are a sub if they were to play this summer, but I guess it could really go either way with a second album.

[concertgoer]

By next summer Passion Pit will be big enough for the #6 spot imo

[Thisismyname]

For instance, are we all saying that Passion Pit are really bigger than an act like MGMT?

This I find really hard to believe, but maybe I'm underestimating them.

[concertgoer]

Well their crowd at Coachella was just as big if not bigger than MGMT's
I would say that Phoenix, MGMT and Passion Pit are all pretty equal at this point

[Thisismyname]

Did Passion Pit get any radio-airplay? Once again, I really have no idea.

[Driftwood]

Was it really two weeks? Hm.

Well they played a 1,000 person venue here, not that Orlando is the best gauge for anything.

Still say Passion Pit are a sub if they were to play this summer, but I guess it could really go either way with a second album.

Yeah first show sold out so well that they re-routed their tour to come back to Congress. That show sold out too.

[Driftwood]

Did Passion Pit get any radio-airplay? Once again, I really have no idea.

On XRT? Plenty.

And yeah I'd say they are on par if not a tiny bit smaller than MGMT (but comparable). I agree if they were still pushing the same album right now they would be a sub at Lolla - but with a new album that has a hit or two, they'll headline at 6.

[stelles75]

I would say that Phoenix, MGMT and Passion Pit are all pretty equal at this point

I personally don't feel that any of those acts are going any farther than they already are. They've already peaked.

[Driftwood]

You would be wrong.

[concertgoer]

MGMT might have peaked, but yeah he is wrong about Passion Pit and Phoenix imo

[Krentistthedentist]

MGMT will be a headliner by the time the next record rolls around.

[concertgoer]

Not if they release another record like the last one
Just to clarify I like that record but it did not sell well
They are going to need a hit or two on the next record in order to headline

[Driftwood]

I actually think they still will.

[Krentistthedentist]

VW= Headliner
Black Keys= Headliner
MGMT= Headliner
Passion Pit= Not headliner
Phoenix= headliner.

[Driftwood]

Wrong.

What actually is the newest headliner for an American major? Kanye and Arcade Fire had 2004 debuts.

Who will be the post 2005 debut album healdiner?

[concertgoer]

I actually think they still will.

They can get away with one unpopular album coming off the success of Kids and Time to Pretend but if 2012 or 2013 rolls around and they have no new hits I really don't see C3 even booking them

[concertgoer]

Wrong.

What actually is the newest headliner for an American major? Kanye and Arcade Fire had 2004 debuts.

Who will be the post 2005 debut album healdiner?

Vampire Weekend and or Passion Pit

[Krentistthedentist]

Wrong.

What actually is the newest headliner for an American major? Kanye and Arcade Fire had 2004 debuts.

Who will be the post 2005 debut album healdiner?

Lady Gaga was newer than both.

[concertgoer]

Oh snap

[Driftwood]

Just seems like the game has changed. Do we really think no new strong debuts were made in 2005, 2006 and 2007 or that things just were different post 2008 - Vampire Weekend - 2008, Fleet Foxes - 2008, MGMT 2008, Mumfrod & Sons 2009, Passion Pit 2009. All those are in the mix with 1 or 2 albums and will be there I believe by album 3 (if not 2).

[stelles75]

They are going to need a hit or two on the next record in order to headline

They purposefully wrote songs for the second album with the intent to not please fans of the hits from the first record and it really showed. Huge mistake. There's nothing profound about their music and they will quietly go away.

Phoenix is on their fifth album and they acquired a modestly decent crowd on the north stage as a headliner. I don't think they'll get any bigger.

Passion Pit... A band's sophomore effort is generally very telling. If it bombs, they'll struggle. Nothing else to say there (except I can't ever deal with those vocals).

[Driftwood]

Lady Gaga was newer than both.

Fair enough - pop is a whole other world.

[Driftwood]

I still stand by the post-2008 one album band explosion theory.

[Krentistthedentist]

Just seems like the game has changed. Do we really think no new strong debuts were made in 2005, 2006 and 2007 or that things just were different post 2008 - Vampire Weekend - 2008, Fleet Foxes - 2008, MGMT 2008, Mumfrod & Sons 2009, Passion Pit 2009. All those are in the mix with 1 or 2 albums and will be there I believe by album 3 (if not 2).

Your dates are off on a few of those bands, but I think, yes, the landscape has changed enough since 2008 and indie buzz bands can become festival headliners with a passable sophomore effort.

[Driftwood]

If all those acts stay around for 10 yeas, with a steady out-put of an album or two a year with one hit per album, they will all end on the south stage of Lolla (or equivalent of it at another festival) at some point.

[concertgoer]

They purposefully wrote songs for the second album with the intent to not please fans of the hits from the first record and it really showed. Huge mistake. There's nothing profound about their music and they will quietly go away.

Phoenix is on their fifth album and they acquired a modestly decent crowd on the north stage as a headliner. I don't think they'll get any bigger.

Passion Pit... A band's sophomore effort is generally very telling. If it bombs, they'll struggle. Nothing else to say there (except I can't ever deal with those vocals).

I wasn't at that set but I heard the crowd was massive.
Phoenix has grown with every album and I think they will be headlining Coachella and the South Field at Lolla by 2013

[Driftwood]

Your dates are off on a few of those bands, but I think, yes, the landscape has changed enough since 2008 and indie buzz bands can become festival headliners with a passable sophomore effort.

What date is wrong?

[Krentistthedentist]

I wasn't at that set but I heard the crowd was massive.
Phoenix has grown with every album and I think they will be headlining Coachella and the South Field at Lolla by 2013

This is very generous.
I'm still saying 4-6.

[Driftwood]

Top 3 if there is another 1901.

[Krentistthedentist]

What date is wrong?

MGMT is 2007 if you want to go with Oracular being their first
I thought sigh no more was 2010. I was off on that.

[concertgoer]

Top 3 if there is another 1901.

I think there will be
Those dudes know how to some catchy songs

[Krentistthedentist]

Also, can we talk about Coldplay as a headliner in general? Why do their billings seem so low lately?

[Driftwood]

Oh woops. Ok late 2007 theory then. And we have MGMT to thank for it.

[Driftwood]

Also, can we talk about Coldplay as a headliner in general? Why do their billings seem so low lately?

I love Arcade Fire more than him but having them above Kanye is down right racist.

[concertgoer]

Also, can we talk about Coldplay as a headliner in general? Why do their billings seem so low lately?

Yeah it really is baffling
From that crazy interview with Perry on WGN he made it seem like they booked Coldplay close to the deadline so maybe that was also the case for ACL and they just put them below acts they already had locked up? Of course they are above Muse at Lolla so idk

[Krentistthedentist]

I would say that in terms of real world popularity, the ACL headliners this year go:

Coldplay Stevie Kanye Arcade Fire MMJ

[concertgoer]

Are we talking popularity based on who attends the festival or just the general public?

[sleeping]

Also, can we talk about Coldplay as a headliner in general? Why do their billings seem so low lately?
I think they're billed pretty much right where they belong for a US festival. They're just not as universally popular here as they are in the UK (much like Muse was for a really long time), even to the point that there's a stigma associated with being a fan ("You know how I know you're gay? You listen to Coldplay."

[Krentistthedentist]

Are we talking popularity based on who attends the festival or just the general public?

I dunno. That's just how I would bill them.

[concertgoer]

IRT sleeping
Then why were Coldplay playing the biggest arenas and sheds on their last tour of North America?
Arcade Fire isn't booking venues that size

[concertgoer]

I dunno. That's just how I would bill them.

I would bill ACL
Coldplay Kanye Arcade Fire Stevie MMJ

[Krentistthedentist]

IRT sleeping
Then why were Coldplay playing the biggest arenas and sheds on their last tour of North America?
Arcade Fire isn't booking venues that size

Well, Arcade Fire did just play 3 nights at UIC, which is about 30,000 tickets.
That, however, pales in comparison to 2 nights at the UC and a night at Alpine.

[concertgoer]

Yeah they have a huge following in Chicago but they didn't do multiple nights at any other venue on the tour.

[sleeping]

Arcade Fire is "cool" and Coldplay isn't. It's as simple as that.

[Krentistthedentist]

Arcade Fire sucks.
Coldplay rules.

[sleeping]

I'm not making a one-versus-the-other judgment, I'm saying Arcade Fire has a lot of "cool factor" right now (cool factor, hype, "It", whatever) that promoters know will get "the kids" interested in a festival. Coldplay have a significant fanbase that trends much older and promoters know they'll pay big bucks to see them at arenas and amphitheaters.

[Krentistthedentist]

Right.
So why would they hide the moneymaker like that?

[IAmScareMongering]

Red Hot Chili Peppers*Blink 182*Jane's Addiction
The Black Keys*The Black Keys*The Black Keys

[sleeping]

Right.
So why would they hide the moneymaker like that?
Yeah, they hid them right up there in the top three.

You have to look at the audience as a whole, the festival's "attitude" as a whole. And it's about "the cool."

[El Goodo]

"dinglehopper."

[sleeping]

"dinglehopper."
AAUGH WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR AVATAR

[concertgoer]

Red Hot Chili Peppers*Blink 182*Jane's Addiction
The Black Keys*The Black Keys*The Black Keys

I like this post

[Krentistthedentist]

I would see the Keys twice.

[IAmScareMongering]

Right.
So why would they hide the moneymaker like that?

Already posted this in the ACL thread, but maybe C3 believes Coldplay's new album is going to be awful?

[concertgoer]

Already posted this in the ACL thread, but maybe C3 believes Coldplay's new album is going to be awful?

I don't think the album will even be out by the time they play ACL though

[concertgoer]

I would see the Keys twice.

I would stay home

[IAmScareMongering]

I don't think the album will even be out by the time they play ACL though

They could have told C3 though they are going to play a lot of new songs.

[Krentistthedentist]

Already posted this in the ACL thread, but maybe C3 believes Coldplay's new album is going to be awful?

That's not entirely out of the question, but why in the fuck would they book them twice if they believed that?

[El Goodo]

AAUGH WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR AVATAR

No likey the new one, eh?

[concertgoer]

They could have told C3 though they are going to play a lot of new songs.

You really think C3 grills the bands about their setlists?
If that was the case than they should have never booked RHCP in 2006 based on all the shitty new songs that they played.

[IAmScareMongering]

That's not entirely out of the question, but why in the fuck would they book them twice if they believed that?

Possibility: Coldplay gave them a discount, and C3 still gets the big name.

[IAmScareMongering]

You really think C3 grills the bands about their setlists?
If that was the case than they should have never booked RHCP in 2006 based on all the shitty new songs that they played.

Well Perry did say he was hesitant about booking them with the new album coming out.

[concertgoer]

Well Perry did say he was hesitant about booking them with the new album coming out.

That's true but as usual I think Perry was talking about of his ass.
FWIW they booked Arcade Fire well before The Suburbs came out last year

[IAmScareMongering]

Yep, but Arcade Fire only releases goodness.

[concertgoer]

I think the negotiations with Coldplay came down to the wire because of money
Who knows for sure though

[nikkirkpatrick]

this is a "Speculation" thread. Speculate til your heart's content

[concertgoer]

Ok

2012
R.E.M, Beastie Boys, The Cure, Black Keys, Vampire Weekend, Passion Pit

[nikkirkpatrick]

Ok

2012
R.E.M, Beastie Boys, The Cure, Black Keys, Vampire Weekend, Passion Pit

do you really think there will be this many newcomers? Black Keys, I get that, Vampire Weekend maybe, but Passion Pit on top of that?

[concertgoer]

Yeah I think we are going to see a lot of young blood next year
Plus they would offset well against the top three

R.E.M. vs Passion Pit
Beasties vs Keys
Cure vs VW

[sleeping]

2012
R.E.M, Beastie Boys, The Cure, Black Keys, Vampire Weekend, Passion Pit
I would happily pay VIP prices for this.

[dij22]

Paul McCartney * The Cure * Kanye West
Morrissey * The Black Keys * MGMT

[Greg Nasty]

lol really?

I'd happily pay for a single day ticket to see The Cure, but that's it.

[stealyourcarbon]

Katy Perry - Beastie Boys - No Doubt
Jane's Addiction - The Black Keys - DCFC

[nanatod]

Killers - Kanye West - Jane's Addiction
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fatboy Slim - The National

oh, wait.

[Dougy]

(Cake) Red Hot Chili Peppers vs. Justice (Passion Pit)
(Queens of the Stone Age) Metallica vs. Modest Mouse (Fleet Foxes)
(Sublime w/ Rome) Beastie Boys vs. Death Cab For Cutie (Vampire Weekend)

[fiveiron83321]

terrible

[Dougy]

You'd be optimistic to think next year will be better.

[ten15SaturdayNight]

Katy Perry - Beastie Boys - No DoubtJane's Addiction - The Black Keys - DCFC

I think that is a definite possibility.

[nikkirkpatrick]

JayYe - The Cure - Kings of Leon
Jane's Addiction - Morrisey - Justice

The Cure vs Justice
Kings of Leon vs Morrisey
JayYe vs Jane's

[Krentistthedentist]

terrible

Well, Friday would be awful but other than that it's something I could make a weekend out of.

[Five_Hole]

Be scared. Be very scared. (http://www.spinner.com/2011/05/20/perry-farrell-janes-addiction-dave-sitek-queen/)


Farrell, who has a pretty good track record of putting acts together with his work with Lollapalooza, also has a pick for Queen's next lead singer: "George Michael. I love George Michael. How about this, next year for Lolla, Queen, Jane's, George Michael, 2012."

[rosettastoned462]

lol

[WretchedSkye2113]

can the other 3 be Portishead, Mastodon, and TVotR?
that'd make everything ok.

[danzip53]

Be scared. Be very scared. (http://www.spinner.com/2011/05/20/perry-farrell-janes-addiction-dave-sitek-queen/)

I still can't decide how I feel about Queen playing shows without Freddie

[Osama's Step-son]

Beastie Boys-Arcade Fire-The Cure
Fatboy Slim-Queens of the Stone Age-The Flaming Lips

Friday: QOTSA vs The Cure
Saturday: Fatboy Slim vs Arcade Fire
Sunday: The Flaming Lips vs Beastie Boys

[danzip53]

I suck at this...but I'm bored so heres a shot in the dark

Queen
REM
Beastie Boys or Kanye
Jane's Addiction
QOTSA
The Black Keys

REM vs QOTSA
Jane's vs The Black Keys
Queen vs Beasties or Kanye

[RebelliousLies]

Just throwing out anything...
Daft Punk * Gorillaz (or Blur) * The Cure
OutKast * The Black Keys * Death Cab for Cutie

I'm not too sure how big Gorillaz or Blur are in the US Fest scene, so I guess shift these around somewhat.

[IAmScareMongering]

Queen will be the Aerosmith of 2012.

[dr. ace]

You'd be optimistic to think next year will be better.

No one as bad as Coldplay will be playing next year.

[ferro_man]

Queen - Jane's addiction - George Michael
the cure - prodigy - the mars volta

Book it. done

http://twitter.com/perryfarrell/status/71724305859358720

[dij22]

I've been listening to pretty much nothing but George Michael for a couple weeks actually, and I've been thinking that he'd be an absolutely perfect Coachella headliner. What a legitimately huge get that would be for Lolla.

[concertgoer]

No one gives a fuck about George Micheal in America anymore
It's not 1987

[rockrdudetim]

I haven't heard that name for a very long time.

[dij22]

No one gives a fuck about George Micheal in America anymore
It's not 1987

He did an pretty big American tour 3 years ago, I'm not sure how well it sold or anything but he was playing the biggest venues in the country. It'd be a pretty impressive, if unlikely, one-off for an American major fest.

[Miller]

Wham?

[Audiobully]

Maybe not George Michael but would anyone be surprised to see Justin Timberlake?

[nikkirkpatrick]

I'd see Wham if they played "Last Christmas" for 2 hrs straight.

[arbee]

<-----------saw Wham

[rockrdudetim]

Maybe not George Michael but would anyone be surprised to see Justin Timberlake?

Surprised? no.

Disappointed and a little annoyed? Yes.

[Audiobully]

I would be thrilled if it's just a part of Lonely Island.

[concertgoer]

<-----------saw Wham

What about George Micheal solo?

[arbee]

Nope. Kinda lost interest by that point.

[dij22]

Maybe not George Michael but would anyone be surprised to see Justin Timberlake?

I think he's one of the last remaining enormous gets for a U.S. festival, but is he making music anymore?

[concertgoer]

I think he is releasing an album this year

[Krentistthedentist]

Maybe not George Michael but would anyone be surprised to see Justin Timberlake?

He'd be a major step up from Eminem and Lady Gaga, that's for sure.

[concertgoer]

I can agree with that

[munkivelli]

Queen - Jane's addiction - George Michael
the cure - prodigy - the mars volta

Book it. done

http://twitter.com/perryfarrell/status/71724305859358720

why advocate wasting a headliner slot on the mars volta? they could easily be a subheadliner...

[Krentistthedentist]

why take ferro_man's speculation seriously?
.

[ferro_man]

why advocate wasting a headliner slot on the mars volta? they could easily be a subheadliner...

so they can get at least an hour and a half timeslot in the phoenix/my morning jacket headliner position

[munkivelli]

so they can get at least an hour and a half timeslot in the phoenix/my morning jacket headliner position

they could probably play like 4 or 5 songs in that time:)

[concertgoer]

Is there any reason why Queen is being mentioned?
Have they announced some plans for next year?

[munkivelli]

Is there any reason why Queen is being mentioned?
Have they announced some plans for next year?

it's being mentioned because Perry said it in an interview article...it was linked a few pages back. he wants queen, janes, and george michael for lolla 2012. no real basis to think it will actually happen, but that's where it's coming from.

[concertgoer]

it's being mentioned because Perry said it in an interview article...it was linked a few pages back. he wants queen, janes, and george michael for lolla 2012. no real basis to think it will actually happen, but that's where it's coming from.

I was wondering why such random acts were being mentioned
Thanks Munk :)

[concertgoer]

I still can't decide how I feel about Queen playing shows without Freddie

The reviews of their shows with Paul Rodgers were very positive

[rockrdudetim]

Queen IS Freddie.

[Krentistthedentist]

That's a stupid thing to say.
I'm not endorsing them playing w/o Freddie, but you're simply a fucking idiot if you don't think Brian May was a huge part of that band.

[Log_Jammin]

That's a stupid thing to say.
I'm not endorsing them playing w/o Freddie, but if you're simply a fucking idiot if you don't think Brian May was a huge part of that band.

Just saying, I would pay a lot more to see Queen if they dug up Freddie, attached some wires to his limbs and controlled him like a marionette.

[danzip53]

The reviews of their shows with Paul Rodgers were very positive

Yeah I heard they were good...I should probably listen to some of them

[concertgoer]

I would be down with seeing this at Grant Park next year


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pBKxbpnSo



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRw9CW7iMZk&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNPTat4SVaU&feature=related

[danzip53]

Yeah that would be pretty much the greatest thing ever

[arbee]

Pretty sure the Queen with Paul Rodgers chapter is completed.

[concertgoer]

Pretty sure the Queen with Paul Rodgers chapter is completed.

Yeah after I posted those clips I read that on Wiki
Did you go to any of those shows?

[stealyourcarbon]

Yeah, Paul is done I think. Hence the tweet about George Micheal being a good fit as the new singer (I don't think he would be a good fit fwiw).

[arbee]

I saw the Vancouver show in April 06. It was excellent. I love Paul Rodgers. I love Queen and saw them twice with Freddie. Can't compare. It is what it is...I am seeing Paul in July in Washington State and he is playing in Vancouver in September. He actually lives in White Rock, a suburb of Vancouver.

[concertgoer]

Well this is really good, but it's from 1992
If George still has his pipes I think it could work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYAR8RigqDA

[danzip53]

Didn't Rodgers say he'd be up for playing with them again sometime down the line though? I thought I read that somewhere when they were done touring

[stealyourcarbon]

IRT CG

That sounds pretty good actually. Maybe he could pull it off.

[fishkingpies]

Just seems like the gme has changed. Do we really think no new strong debuts were made in 2005, 2006 and 2007 or that things just were different post 2008 - Vampire Weekend - 2008, Fleet Foxes - 2008, MGMT 2008, Mumfrod & Sons 2009, Passion Pit 2009. All those are in the mix with 1 or 2 albums and will be there I believe by album 3 (if not 2).

i assume by headliner, you mean top 3?

lcd could've/would've done it if they hadn't quit. m.i.a. is possible if she gets back on track after /\/\/\Y/\. band of horses are a possibility down the road. that might be it from 05-07 that look likely, but who would've guessed animal collective would suddenly blow up 9 years into their career? or phoenix? so you never know.

also none of the bands you listed will be a top 3 before their 3rd album.

[Driftwood]

Nah not top 3. Just top 6.

Though with a steady output of albums every two years all could get to top 3 by album 5.

[Miller]

Didn't Rodgers say he'd be up for playing with them again sometime down the line though? I thought I read that somewhere when they were done touring

The album that Q&PR released is a turd.

[fishkingpies]

well top 6 is pointless to talk about. racontuers debuted in 06, top 6 by 08. hell arcade fire was a top 6 back in 07. mia was top 5 at acl in '10. kanye was a #2 at lolla in 06.

4-6 at a lot of fests can vary a ton based on who's available and how much was spent on the top 3.

[danzip53]

The album that Q&PR released is a turd.

Yeah it wasn't terribly good but they would still need a singer...after listening to the George Michael video I am 100% in favor of that happening

[Krentistthedentist]

well top 6 is pointless to talk about.

Unless you're trying to figure out whether or not a band could be top 6, which we are.

[Driftwood]

well top 6 is pointless to talk about. racontuers debuted in 06, top 6 by 08. hell arcade fire was a top 6 back in 07. mia was top 5 at acl in '10. kanye was a #2 at lolla in 06.

4-6 at a lot of fests can vary a ton based on who's available and how much was spent on the top 3.

You really think the number of bands post 2008 that can book an Aragon sized show this quickly into their careers isn't significant? Get the Raconteurs and Kanye comparisons out of here.

[fishkingpies]

Unless you're trying to figure out whether or not a band could be top 6, which we are.

well driftwood originally asked who would be our first post-04 debut headliner when we already had the raconteurs and acl had mia, neither of which were brought up by anyone else. so yeah, maybe i'm trying to clarify what the fuck we're talking about so it doesn't end up being totally useless ala the "timely gets" thread or whatever it was.

[fishkingpies]

You really think the number of bands post 2008 that can book an Aragon sized show this quickly into their careers isn't significant? Get the Raconteurs and Kanye comparisons out of here.

so they have to be able to book an aragon sized show? do they have to sell it out?

[Driftwood]

well driftwood originally asked who would be our first post-04 debut headliner when we already had the raconteurs and acl had mia, neither of which were brought up by anyone else. so yeah, maybe i'm trying to clarify what the fuck we're talking about so it doesn't end up being totally useless ala the "timely gets" thread or whatever it was.


I'm sorry not every post is as useful as the ones you post.

[Driftwood]

But in that context - Raconteurs and MIA are worth bringing up. Good call on remembering them.

[fishkingpies]

difference is, most of the time i don't pretend like my posts mean anything to anyone besides myself.

i'm just trying to clarify what we're actually speculating about so i can make my appropriate, but ultimately useless, contribution to this thread.

[fishkingpies]

also have ppl seen how low passion pit is billed at governor's island festival? doesn't scream "soon to be headliner" to me.

i guess empire of the sun could be in the mix. they've got the crazy/spectacular live show, just need a few more hit songs and are a #12 at acl this year w/ just one album (higher than any other name thrown around w/ just one album except mumford).

[Greg Nasty]

I've only heard one Passion Pit song and that was probably 3 years ago.

Also, it's turrible.

[brynrich]

My predictions (not in order):

Jane's Addiction
Wilco
Morrissey
Animal Collective
No Doubt
Vampire Weekend

[nikolajz1]

Radiohead
Beastie Boys
Rihanna
Death Cab for Cutie
Maroon 5
Jane's Addiction

[concertgoer]

IRT Bryn
Kind of lacking a big number #1 headliner

[concertgoer]

Radiohead
Beastie Boys
Rihanna
Death Cab for Cutie
Maroon 5
Jane's Addiction

Ewww

[nikolajz1]

Ewww

There always has to be at least 1 ewww

[brynrich]

IRT Bryn
Kind of lacking a big number #1 headliner

Yeah, I was thinking about that. I just couldn't come up with any likely acts right now.

[rockrdudetim]

Radiohead
Beastie Boys
Rihanna
Death Cab for Cutie
Maroon 5
Jane's Addiction

Double ewwwww!

[concertgoer]

There always has to be at least 1 ewww

True, but I think Maroon 5 is too pop friendly even for Lolla

[nikolajz1]

Double ewwwww!

Dont lie... a Rihanna show would be incredibly fun.

[Krentistthedentist]

He's the fucking worst.

[brynrich]

Who?

[WampireVeekend]

also have ppl seen how low passion pit is billed at governor's island festival? doesn't scream "soon to be headliner" to me.

i guess empire of the sun could be in the mix. they've got the crazy/spectacular live show, just need a few more hit songs and are a #12 at acl this year w/ just one album (higher than any other name thrown around w/ just one album except mumford).

i think that is a DJ set, since last summer they played governors island with tokyo police club and it apparently sold out a 7,500 person crowd. but i have no idea what means in terms of being able/not being able to headline lolla

[Caseysitsallgood]

There always has to be at least 1 ewww

this year?

for me, coldplay. I feel like there isn't one definitive ewww...

[nikolajz1]

this year?

for me, coldplay. I feel like there isn't one definitive ewww...

deadmaufiveeee

[rockrdudetim]

Who?

He's talking about me. He does this every chance he gets.

[Driftwood]

i think that is a DJ set, since last summer they played governors island with tokyo police club and it apparently sold out a 7,500 person crowd. but i have no idea what means in terms of being able/not being able to headline lolla

Your move Optifish.

[fishkingpies]

fair enough. just saw it on last.fm where it doesn't list it as a dj set (or i just didn't notice). i'd guess it just depends on their next album. for instance, mgmt played roo & all points west in 09 after blowing up and got pretty high billings. album 2 comes out and their stature only increased a little bit when they played coachella, sasquatch and lolla last year. so if passion pit's 2nd album is in the same vein as their first, yeah it wouldn't surprise me if they headlined lollapalooza (they won't at coachella or roo though).

[fiveiron83321]

didn't passion pit play a side stage at lolla last time? (BMI or Citi?)

no way they headline..i can see them mainstage 4PM/6PM time

[nikkirkpatrick]

didn't gaga go from BMI to South Stage in 3 years? Passion Pit could go from side stage to North headliner in 3 years (vomit)

[fiveiron83321]

passion pit are not on the same level of gaga's popularity though

[nikkirkpatrick]

i know, i'm just saying, the possibility is there, with a new record

[Driftwood]

passion pit are not on the same level of gaga's popularity though

4 pm / 6 pm acts on album 2 don't sell out two shows at Congress on album 1 (this was a year after their Lolla performance so it gives a much more accurate picture of where they are at now). They aren't Gaga - they also aren't the typical Citi act.

[TonyPicker690]

MGMT's first record was more popular than Passion Pit's was. And MGMT was a sub last year after their second record. Unless Passion Pit's next record is a huge hit I don't see them as a headliner. More people know MGMT than Passion Pit

[Thisismyname]

MGMT's first record was more popular than Passion Pit's was. And MGMT was a sub last year after their second record. Unless Passion Pit's next record is a huge hit I don't see them as a headliner. More people know MGMT than Passion Pit

This has been my line of thinking all along as well.

[ferro_man]

also have ppl seen how low passion pit is billed at governor's island festival? doesn't scream "soon to be headliner" to me.

i guess empire of the sun could be in the mix. they've got the crazy/spectacular live show, just need a few more hit songs and are a #12 at acl this year w/ just one album (higher than any other name thrown around w/ just one album except mumford).

empire of the sun headlined perry's already... maybe if they follow the deadmau5 formula (release a new album this year and next year and become superhuge) they can be a #6 headliner

[nikolajz1]

Well Passion Pit definitely is a sub no matter what their next album is like when they play Lolla. I like how this is being discussed still 10 pages after my first post.

[Kimdiy]

If this speculation thread is real then I think more weight should be given to those that said The Strokes and No Doubt for headliners next year. Considering the new albums that are coming later this year and early next year and that the Strokes were subs last year, I think it's a big possibility. And I really like the Beastie Boys spec too.

[arbee]

Edmonton? JFC...what next...

[nikkirkpatrick]

Edmonton? JFC...what next...

like

[nikkirkpatrick]

If this speculation thread is real then I think more weight should be given to those that said The Strokes and No Doubt for headliners next year. Considering the new albums that are coming later this year and early next year and that the Strokes were subs last year, I think it's a big possibility. And I really like the Beastie Boys spec too.

this thread is in your imagination. do they have acid in alberta?

[Kimdiy]

and what is wrong with Edmonton? don't act all superior because you live in Vancouver and your shitty team will unfairly win the cup. :-)

[ferro_man]

If this speculation thread is real then I think more weight should be given to those that said The Strokes and No Doubt for headliners next year. Considering the new albums that are coming later this year and early next year and that the Strokes were subs last year, I think it's a big possibility. And I really like the Beastie Boys spec too.

who did the strokes sub for last year? cause i thought they headlined? i don't know though... I was too busy seeing gaga

[Kimdiy]

sorry, they were on the budweiser stage opposing gaga, who i opted not to watch.

[arbee]

and what is wrong with Edmonton? don't act all superior because you live in Vancouver and your shitty team will unfairly win the cup. :-)

I have spent more time in Edmonton than anyone should have to endure. It's a shithole.

[Kimdiy]

truly I could care less if you like Edmonton or not seeing as it's not my hometown, it's my current residence based on circumstance and not choice. so now it's done, back to discussing other things....

[arbee]

Like how the Canucks might "unfairly win the cup"?

[nikkirkpatrick]

cheaters

[arbee]

I don't know if they are going to win or not. I just wondered why she thinks it unfair if they do.

[nikkirkpatrick]

apparently middle canada has coast envy too

[Kimdiy]

'cuz I don't think they're as good as some claim they are. and I personally can't stand the Sedin's (divers)...

[MadBird11]

All I want to know is this:

Can it get any worse than this year? And if so, how?

[MadBird11]

Also, hawkey talk to the hawkey thread so I can bitch some more about Lolla lineups :)

[Kimdiy]

IMO, the expansion of the Perry's stage this year into 2012 could make it worse. I don't spend thousands of dollars to go to Lolla to listen to DJ's, electonica, or house music. I go to hear bands I don't normally listen to and for a more overall "alternative" vibe to the lineup and that seems to be dwindling.

[nikkirkpatrick]

don't go to perry's

[ferro_man]

IMO, the expansion of the Perry's stage this year into 2012 could make it worse. I don't spend thousands of dollars to go to Lolla to listen to DJ's, electonica, or house music. I go to hear bands I don't normally listen to and for a more overall "alternative" vibe to the lineup and that seems to be dwindling.

without perry's stage, there would be more electronica headliners on the main stage instead of just deadmau5 this year, so you should be thankful that the DJ's electronica, or house music you don't want to listen to is contained to its own stage instead of intermixed with the "alternative" vibe music you pay thousands of dollars to go to see

[Kimdiy]

you guys need to calm down a bit and not get so worked up. seriously, and since i do pay a lot of money to go, i believe that i'm entitled to an opinion. my opinion is in response to how lolla could get any worse and hence my comment on perry's stage. i understand that if perry wants there to be more dance music he could put it on the main stage instead of creating perry's stage to filter from the rest of the lineup, but considering the acts of previous years lolla's lineup is changing directions into avenues that i'm not so jazzed about. and if you are, then congrats to you.

[WretchedSkye2113]

tl;dr

too many fucking canadians on this board.

[brynrich]

Rush * Neil Young * Celine Dion
Barenaked Ladies * Bryan Adams * Alanis Morissette

[Kimdiy]

I'm Canadian, not deaf; minus Rush and Neil Young.

[TonyPicker690]

without perry's stage, there would be more electronica headliners on the main stage instead of just deadmau5 this year, so you should be thankful that the DJ's electronica, or house music you don't want to listen to is contained to its own stage instead of intermixed with the "alternative" vibe music you pay thousands of dollars to go to see

Perry's is a great stage for this reason. I never plan on actually watching anyone on the Perry's stage, but it's nice to know it exists.

I am not a fan there being DJ's in the shell stage, they belong only at Perry's. It's a waste of a late day side stage.

[arbee]

tl;dr

too many fucking canadians on this board.

This.

[brynrich]

FRIDAY:
Tegan & Sara > kd lang > Neil Young vs. Loverboy > Corey Hart > Bryan Adams

SATURDAY:
Men Without Hats > Snow > Barenaked Ladies vs. Tom Cochrane > Bachman Turner Overdrive > Rush

Sunday:
Avril Lavigne > Alanis Morrissette > Shania Twain > Celine Dion (unopposed)

[Kimdiy]

FRIDAY:
Tegan & Sara > kd lang > Neil Young vs. Loverboy > Corey Hart > Bryan Adams

SATURDAY:
Men Without Hats > Snow > Barenaked Ladies vs. Tom Cochrane > Bachman Turner Overdrive > Rush

Sunday:
Avril Lavigne > Alanis Morrissette > Shania Twain > Celine Dion (unopposed)

that's completely ignorant because neil young would never be put against loverboy....and where's tragically hip???

[Kimdiy]

and Justin Bieber would oppose Celine Dion, so it's completely unrealistic :)

[brynrich]

and Justin Bieber would oppose Celine Dion, so it's completely unrealistic :)

Canadian Coachella got him exclusively, dumbass...

[Kimdiy]

I'm trying to make light of your stereotype without getting mad, and you're calling me a dumbass? nice. anywho, I'm not gonna argue online 'cuz that's just retarded.

[thelastonealive]

FRIDAY:
Tegan & Sara > kd lang > Neil Young vs. Loverboy > Corey Hart > Bryan Adams

SATURDAY:
Men Without Hats > Snow > Barenaked Ladies vs. Tom Cochrane > Bachman Turner Overdrive > Rush

Sunday:
Avril Lavigne > Alanis Morrissette > Shania Twain > Celine Dion (unopposed)

Needs more Our Lady Peace.

[munkivelli]

that's completely ignorant because neil young would never be put against loverboy....and where's tragically hip???

yea, no kidding, and i would expect matthew good to be part of this too....

[munkivelli]

what's bif naked up to these days?