Create a Festival IV - Elite 8 - Crossroads vs Pinkerton

[fishkingpies]

In the latter rounds of the lollaboard's fourth annual create a festival contest, two fests will be going head to head in each poll. Voters should choose the festival they like more based on lineup, schedules, prices and other details.


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[fishkingpies]

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Attendance: 80,000
Tickets: 5,000 weekend passes for $165.00
5,000 weekend passes for $185.00
70,000 weekend passes for $205.00
Camping Included
Major Exclusives: Bill Withers, Common, John Legend, Slowdive, Supertramp

[fishkingpies]

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[fishkingpies]

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Attendance: 50,000
Camping Included
Weekend Passes: $325.00
Major Exclusives: Air, Cocteau Twins, Scorpions, Sugarcubes

[carligula]

Pinkerton is much more my speed. Love the themed stages.

[MookieDaddy]

Both are really great, went with Crossroads, since I try to vote for the slightly more realistic ones.

[MadBird11]

I don't think I'll be voting against Crossroads this year. I have a single conflict over four days. I'm really not sure what people are seeing in Pinkerton this year, but I guess it's not really "my thing" anyway.

[IAmScareMongering]

I don't think I'll be voting against Crossroads this year. I have a single conflict over four days. I'm really not sure what people are seeing in Pinkerton this year, but I guess it's not really "my thing" anyway.

You seriously don't see what people see in Radiohead/Jay-Z & Kanye/The Cure/Neil Young/Daft Punk?

[IAmScareMongering]

Acts I would be very interested in seeing are in bold.

Crossroads

Thursday
Cold Cave (.75)
Kele (.75)
Kylesa
The Roots and Friends (2)
Guided By Voices
Explosions in the Sky (2)

Friday
Cyhi da Pryne
Big K.R.I.T.
Slick Rick
Pulp (1.5)
TV on the Radio (.5)
The xx
Coldplay (.75)
Fuck Buttons
Jay-Z (2)
Jonsi (1.5)
OFWGKTA (1.5)

Saturday
Ra Ra Riot
Mavis Staples
Wilco (1.75)
The Decemberists (1.25)
R.E.M. (2)
The Killers (2)
The Chemical Brothers (2)

Sunday
Neko Case
Bill Withers (1.5)
PJ Harvey
Morrissey (.5)
The Joy Formidable
Primal Scream (.75)
Elton John & Billy Joe (2.75)

Total Points: 53

Pinkerton

Thursday
Donald Glover
Killing Joke
Mercury Rev
Psychedelic Furs (.5)
Echo & the Bunnymen
Kraftwerk (1.5)
The Cure (3)
Cocteau Twins (2)

Friday
Big K.R.I.T.
Brian Posehn (.5)
Curren$y
Wiz Khalifa (.5)
Matthew Dear
James Murphy
Air
Phoenix (1.5)
Jay-Z & Kanye West (3)
Daft Punk (2) (wouldn't be happy to miss Tyler, but it's Daft Punk.)
Earl Sweartshirt (.5)

Saturday
Hayes Carll (.5)
Louis C.K.
Ryan Bingham & the Dead Horses
Archers of Loaf
JSBE
Emmlou Harris & Linda Ronstadf (.5)
Ryan Adams
Sigur Ros (1.5)
Neil Young & Crazy Horse (3)
The Sugarcubes (2)

Sunday
Odd Future
Neil Hamburger
Bat for Lashes
Grizzly Bear
Doom w/ Thom Yorke
PJ Harvey (.5)
The Strokes (1.5)
Radiohead (3)

Total Points: 64

Verdict: Pinkerton. While the price difference made me think about this decision, Pinkerton has enough extra acts I would be dying to see to justify spending the extra $100.

[Makebelieve81]

Pinkerton
Thursday
Popo Group -> Psychedelic -> Echo -> Cure -> Cocteau -> Blake (6)
Missing = Kraftwerk and Faust (2)
Friday
Off! -> 1/2 KRIT -> Currency -> Wiz -> Air -> Phoenix -> Jay -> Daft (7.5)
Missing = Cudi and Motorhead (2)
Saturday
Mugison -> Carll -> Bingham -> Emmylou -> 1/2 Ryan Adams -> Sigur Ros -> Neil Young -> Flaming Lips (7.5)
Missing = Quest, Guided By Voices, and Dismemberment Plan (3)
Sunday
Francis -> Bats -> Grizzly -> PJ -> Strokes -> Radiohead (6)
Missing = Boris and Clipse (2)

Total bands I get to see . . . 27
Bands I am missing . . . 9
Headliners = 4/4
Subs = 11/16
Undercard = 13 acts I would like to see
Essential Acts = 3rd place with 11 (Radiohead, Kanye, Cure, Neil Young, Daft Punk, Strokes, Sigur Ros, Phoenix, Kid Cudi, Guided By Voices, and James Blake)
Location = 3rd place (10 hour drive)
Price = 17th place
Overall = 9th place

Crossroads
Thursday
Jeremy Jay -> Slash -> Salem -> Vivian Grils -> Deerhunter -> The Roots -> Guided By Voices -> Explosions In The Sky (8)
Missing = Suicide, James Blake, Off!, Primus, Dirty Projectors (5)
Friday
Shout Out Louds -> Arlo Guthrie -> 1/2 KRIT -> Jonathan Richman -> Roy Ayers -> Pulp -> TV On The Radio -> Coldplay -> Other Lives -> Efterklang -> Jonsi -> Wye Oak (11.5)
Missing = The Knife, Panda Bear, Im From Barcelona, Jay-Z, Kid Cudi, The XX, New YOrk Dolls, Papercuts, and Editors (9)
Saturday
Ra Ra Riot -> Bazan -> Mavis -> Drummer of Burundi -> Yuck -> Mumford and Sons -> Wilco -> Decembrists -> REM -> Killers -> Local Natives -> Chemical Brothers (12)
Missing = The Wedding Present, The Faint, Iron and Wine, and Winwood (4)
Sunday
Frightened Rabbit -> Earle -> Knopfler -> Hunx -> BIll Withers -> Pj Hervey -> Morrissey -> John Legend -> Elton John and Billy Joel (9)
Missing = Slowdive, Primal Scream, Joy Formidable, Supertramp, and Grinderman (5)

Total bands I get to see . . .40.5
Bands I am missing . . . 23
Headliners = 4/4
Subs = 13/16
Undercard = 39 acts I would like to see
Essential Acts = 15 (R.E.M., Elton John & Billy, Coldplay, The Killers, Wye Oak, I'm From Barcelona, Mumford & Sons, Wilco, Local Natives, Jonsi, Explosions In The Sky, Kid Cudi, Morrissey, Guided By Voices, James Blake)
Location = 1st place (4 hour drive)
Price = 4th place
Overall = 1st place

Crossroads

[MadBird11]

You seriously don't see what people see in Radiohead/Jay-Z & Kanye/The Cure/Neil Young/Daft Punk?

No, I get that. What I don't get is why everyone's going crazy about the themed stages. Also, the undercard is one of the weakest of the competition IMO

[fishkingpies]

think these two end up going head-to-head every year.

[concertgoer]

Both festivals are great, but I like Crossroads undercard better so that was the deciding factor in my vote.

[fishkingpies]

crossroads
thursday:
some cold cave
tune-yards
belong
salem
2nd half of electric wizard
30 min deerhunter
dirty projectors
roots
james blake (pretty sure his sets so far have been under an hour)
last hr guided by voices
sebadoh

missing: suicide, most of deerhunter

friday:
the mantles
papercuts
big krit
love language
real estate
hr break
pulp
end of nyd
the xx
some coldplay
fuck buttons
jay-z
jonsi
the knife

missing: tv on the radio, wild nothing, panda bear

saturday:
nothing until
emeralds
iron & wine
hr break
faint
hr of wilco
destroyer
decemberists
r.e.m.
2 hr break
local natives
chemical brothers

missing: wedding present, 1/2 of wilco, lil b

sunday:
washed out
phosphorescent
twin sister
hunx & his punx
liquid liquid
some boy george
pj harvey
morrissey
end of grinderman
primal scream
slowdive

missing: elton, most of grinderman

Pinkerton
Friday:
some kurt vile
the pop group
some pantha
killing joke
fennesz
some einsturzende neubauten
mercury rev
some faust
super furry animals
some echo
kraftwerk
the cure
cocteau twins
james blake

missing: just those partial sets

saturday:
big k.r.i.t.
break
curren$y
hr break
charlotte gainsbourg w/ air
camp for air
camp for phoenix
jay-z & kanye
daft punk

missing: matthew dear

sunday:
the gories
oblivians
break
twin shadow
amiina
emmylou harris & linda
camp for first hr of ryan adams
sigur ros
end of guided by voices
neil young
flaming lips

missing: liquid liquid, some partial sets

sunday:
nothing until bat for lashes
ultra mc's
boredoms
pj harvey
boris
hr break
clipse
radiohead

missing: flying lotus, grizzly bear


comments: like crooked river, crossroads has done a great job scheduling make a great fest even better. thursday and friday (friday night particularly) are almost perfect. saturday is a little weak as far as late night, but sunday comes back strong.

as for pinkerton, i love the long headlining sets, the actual flow on each stage, the international stage idea, the cocteau twins reunion. it's a little too topheavy though & the undercard suffers a bit.

in the end, i think these are both fine fests, but have both looked better in past editions. ultimately i'm giving the not to crossroads, but just barely, thanks to slightly less downtime & a cheaper price tag.

[falcozappa]

Crossroads for me. Both look great, but the lineup is just more to my taste. Love late night sets from The Wedding Present, Suicide & Jonsi.